Oral arguments at the Supreme Court on Monday over the president’s power to
remove the commissioners of independent agencies left little doubt that its
Republican-appointed justices are about to fundamentally reorder our system of
government. They appear ready to eliminate most pockets of expertise and
nonpartisanship that we rely on as stewards of important economic, political,
scientific, and regulatory power.
They will do this, if this morning’s arguments are any indication, without
grappling with the predictable and disastrous fallout, with the endpoint of
their own logic, or the historical record to the contrary. Instead, the six
Republican appointees appear ready to race headlong into a Trumpian future in
which no agency or decision is beyond the reach of the precedent’s political
cronies.
“You’re asking us to destroy the structure of government,” Justice Sonia
Sotomayor observed Monday, “and to take away from Congress its ability to
protect its idea that the government is better structured with some agencies
that are independent.”
FTC Commissioner Rebecca Slaughter, a Trump and Biden appointee whose case is
now before the court, sued after Trump fired her in March for not aligning with
his agenda, despite his being prohibited from removing commissioners except for
“inefficiency, neglect of duty or malfeasance in office.”
Slaughter’s case hearkens to the earliest days of the republic, when Congress
first created independent agencies with limits on the president’s ability to
remove the commissioners who run them. In their modern incarnation, beginning in
the late 19th century, Congress has placed these agencies under the direction of
a bipartisan group of commissioners who serve set, staggered terms and can only
be removed for cause. The goal is to create expertise and independence, so that
some of the government’s work is insulated from the abusive pull of political
decision-making.
In 1935, a unanimous Supreme Court upheld the for-cause removal protections for
independent agency commissioners in a ruling known as Humphrey’s Executor. But
since taking office in January, Trump has removed the Democratic commissioners
from several of these agencies, in violation of the Humphrey’s Executor
precedent and multiple laws, seeking to eliminate their independence. He’s fired
Democratic commissioners of the National Labor Relations Board, the Merit System
Protection Board, the Consumer Product Safety Commission, and the FTC’s
Slaughter.
It wasn’t a mystery where this case was headed. For years, the Roberts Court has
sought to weaken and undermine Humphrey’s Executor, to reshape the federal
government as a quasi-monarchical institution in which the president controls
everything in the executive branch. This goal is intellectualized through the
unitary executive theory, an invention of Ronald Reagan’s administration—in
which Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito both served—to arrogate more power to the
White House when Democrats had an unshakeable hold on Congress.
> This is the whole problem in a nutshell: The majority does not really think it
> is bound by its own logic.
This year, the GOP wing of the court has been so eager to overturn Humphrey’s
Executor that it actually couldn’t wait for the chance to issue a decision to
render the precedent a nullity in practice. Thus, since Trump began firing
Democratic commissioners, in January, the Supreme Court has repeatedly stepped
in to allow those firings to take effect while the litigation over them
proceeds, even though the firings clearly violated both the law and Humphrey’s
Executor.
Despite the obvious direction this court was moving, it was still unsettling to
hear six justices completely unwilling to acknowledge and wrestle with the
consequences of overturning a 90-year-old precedent that acts as a pillar of the
separation of powers that endeavors to protect key government functions from the
corrosive effects of partisan politics.
Take this exchange between Justice Elena Kagan, Solicitor General John Sauer,
and Alito. Kagan began by pressing Sauer on the logical consequences of his
argument that all the executive power rests with the president, such that he
must be able to remove anyone engaged in executive branch functions. What about
courts set up by Congress—separate from federal courts under the federal
judiciary—such as the Tax Court and the Court of Federal Claims? What about
civil servants and government employees?
Sauer demurred that laws protecting civil servants and other employees haven’t
been challenged—yet.
“I know you haven’t challenged it,” Kagan responded. “It’s really, the question
is, ‘Where does this lead? What does it take you to, given what your primary
rationale is?”
Then Alito piped up to suggest that maybe the court could just blow up our
system of government without thinking through these pesky details.
“Suppose we were to decide this case in your favor without reaching some of the
agencies that have been mentioned, like the Tax Court and the Claims Court and
the Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces,” Alito asked Sauer. “What would you
propose that we say so as to reserve decision on those agencies?” Sauer happily
responded that the court could simply say that it was withholding judgement on
them.
An exasperated Kagan jumped back in. “Our logic has consequences,” she said.
“Once you use a particular kind of argument to justify one thing, you can’t turn
your back on that kind of argument if it also justifies another thing in the
exact same way. And so, putting a footnote in the opinion saying we don’t decide
X, Y and Z, because it’s not before us, doesn’t do much good if the entire logic
of the opinion drives you there.”
This is actually the whole problem in a nutshell. The majority does not really
think it is bound by its own logic. Next month, the Court is going to decide
whether Trump can remove a governor of the Federal Reserve Board, a removal that
could spook the markets and have more immediate and disastrous economic
consequences than his takeover of the FTC.
And so the court appears poised to allow the president to take over the agencies
it wants to transform into political entities, and preserve the independence of
the ones it wants to keep independent, and use words like “uniquely structured”
and “distinct historical tradition” to pretend this isn’t a consequentialist,
results-driven exercise in hackery. On the other hand, if the justices want to
embrace the logic that civil service laws violate the president’s executive
power, then it will continue in this vein until it has replaced all experts and
meritorious hires with cronies and nepo babies.
Just as the Republican justices avoided this logical incongruity, they also
avoided the consequences of reordering some of the government, from an
arrangement in which experts, scientists, and bipartisan commissions control at
least some sensitive and technical decision-making to one in which political
favoritism and corruption rule. Jackson pushed that issue repeatedly at oral
argument.
> The entire oral argument was infused with contempt for Congress’ authority and
> democratic legitimacy.
“My understanding was that independent agencies exist because Congress has
decided that some issues, some matters, some areas should be handled in this way
by nonpartisan experts,” she said. “So having a president come in and fire all
the scientists and the doctors and the economists and the PhDs, and replacing
them with loyalists and people who don’t know anything, is actually not in the
best interest of the citizens of the United States.”
Relatedly, Jackson continued, why should the president’s desire to control
everything take precedence over Congress’ judgment that some functions should be
run by independent agencies? “Given the history of the monarchy and the concerns
that the Framers had about a president controlling everything,” she asked, why
shouldn’t Congress’ judgment prevail?
Jackson returned repeatedly to the idea that Congress has the authority to
create independent agencies, as well as to the idea that Congress oversees them.
Justice Amy Coney Barrett portrayed independent agencies as “not answering to
either the President or to Congress”; Justice Brett Kavanaugh called them
“unaccountable” and worried that they cause “real-world problems for individual
liberty,” though he didn’t name any. Sauer alleged a “power vacuum” in which
independent agency commissioners exercise enormous control without answering to
the president.
“I really don’t understand why the agencies aren’t answering to Congress,”
Jackson said. “Congress established them and can eliminate them. Congress funds
them and can stop. So to the extent that we’re concerned that there’s some sort
of entity that is out of control and has no control, I guess I don’t understand
that argument.”
Indeed, the entire oral argument was infused with contempt for Congress’
authority and democratic legitimacy. The Republican-appointees prefer to give
the president unlimited power than to allow Congress to create the agencies it
sees fit; and they see Congressional oversight not as part of its constitutional
function but as a problem.
Finally, though the conservative justices have spent decades touting their
originalist methodology—which seeks the answer to constitutional and statutory
questions in historical analogues and the Constitution’s original public
meaning—they almost completely ignored the actual history of independent
agencies. Since the Roberts Court began to move rapidly toward the unitary
executive theory, historians and legal scholars have gone back to the archives
to see whether there’s actually historical evidence for eliminating independent
agencies and giving the president unfettered removal power. It turns out there
are lots of historical examples of independent agencies and restrictions on
presidential removals going back to the Founding era—as multiple amicus briefs
in this case laid out.
“Independent agencies have been around since the founding,” Sotomayor said. “The
Sinking Fund, the War Commission—we’ve had independent agencies throughout our
history. So this is not a modern contrivance.”
But the conservatives saw our status quo—in effect, in some form, for 250
years—as the real threat. Chief Justice Roberts, for example, worried that
Congress might get power-hungry and decide to transform federal agencies like
the Department of Education into independent agencies run by independent
commissioners. That example is far-fetched at the moment: Congress created the
department and now is sitting idly by as Trump unilaterally dismantles it.
Nevertheless, this seemed a bigger worry for the conservative bloc than the
actual, predictable consequences of letting Trump get his hands on every pocket
of independence: further self-enrichment, retribution, chaos, and the other
tragedies that stem from clowns running the circus.
This is what it looks like when Supreme Court justices are completely unburdened
by history, the logical conclusions of their own reasoning, and the real-world
consequences of their own actions. And we are all along for the ride.
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On Wednesday, the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments in Hamm v. Smith, a
death penalty case that will decide whether intellectual disability can be ruled
out on the basis of IQ tests alone.
Long before he was convicted of murder in 1997, Joseph Clifton Smith was placed
in schooling for an intellectual disability. Smith had five documented IQ test
scores by the time he was tried, all around the bottom five percent of the
population—four of which, his legal team has argued, fall in the range of mild
intellectual disability.
The state of Alabama disagrees: anyone scoring 70 or above on one test, its
attorney general contends, is intelligent enough to execute. In 2022, the
Eleventh Circuit Court of Appeals rejected that argument—setting the stage for a
Supreme Court turnaround on IQ and capital punishment.
> “If you tilt your head just right and squint…without considering anything
> else, then you get the result [Alabama] thinks you should get.”
The Supreme Court has previously stated that IQ tests alone fail to holistically
determine intellectual disability, in 2002’s Atkins v. Virginia—which also
established that executing people with intellectual disabilities violated the
Eighth Amendment—reaffirmed in 2014 in Hall v. Florida, and most recently in
2017’s Moore v. Texas. But Atkins and Hall were close decisions, and the Court’s
conservative majority has since grown.
“It’s important to have a holistic assessment of the person,” said Shira
Wakschlag, general counsel and senior executive officer for legal advocacy at
The Arc, such as educational records and other documentation from childhood. IQ
scores are a factor in determining intellectual disability, Wakschlag said, but
they vary, and the tests don’t always offer consistent results.
An amicus brief from the American Psychological Association, American
Psychiatric Association and Alabama Psychological Association in support of
Smith’s case similarly argued that “because the diagnostic inquiry is
necessarily holistic and requires the exercise of clinical judgment, no single
datum—such as IQ test scores—is dispositive of intellectual functioning.”
An October filing by Alabama’s Department of Corrections commissioner, John Q.
Hamm, pushes for a very narrow definition of intellectual disability defined by
an IQ below 70, and argues that “the ‘holistic’ rhetoric’ is ‘just window
dressing’ for a novel and indefensible change in constitutional law.’”
“If you tilt your head just right and squint, and apply this particular
statistical principle in isolation, without considering anything else, then you
get the result that [Alabama] thinks you should get,” said University of New
Mexico School of Law adjunct professor Ann Delpha, whose work focuses on
intellectual disabilities and the justice system. “That’s not what intellectual
disability is about.”
“The court has said repeatedly…at different times, that intellectual disability
is determined through clinical judgment, through a comprehensive analysis,”
Wakschlag said. “It is not a number.”
The Supreme Court’s decision to hear the case is perhaps unexpected, given the
clear precedent in its rulings that IQ tests are not enough to establish
intellectual disability, and may signal a likely break with precedent.
A decision that effectively overturns the Court’s past rulings on intellectual
disability and the death penalty would encourage states to define down
intellectual disability, and any safeguards that come with it, in their criminal
justice systems—in line with a wider push, echoed by conservative proposals like
the Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025, to strip disability protections from
schools, workplaces, and other sites of public life.
Even if you have no idea what a crisis pregnancy center is, the donor website
for the First Choice Women’s Resource Centers chain in northeastern New Jersey
offers plenty of clues: Prominent logos for the anti-abortion groups Heartbeat
International and CareNet. A home page banner proclaiming “Sanctity of Human
Life Sunday 2026.” An agreement for prospective volunteers that states, “I
openly acknowledge my personal faith in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior,” and
“[I] reject abortion as an acceptable option for any woman.”
That’s what appears on the website directed at First Choice’s donors. The chain
also has two websites targeted at potential clients—pregnant women who might be
seeking an abortion but end up on the crisis pregnancy center website instead,
where First Choice is less clear about its religious ties and anti-abortion
mission. “Learn more about the abortion pill, abortion procedures, and your
options in New Jersey,” one site urges on its home page. “We specialize in
pre-termination evaluations,” another site says, with services that include
“free and confidential Abortion Information Consultation” and “post-abortion
support.” On most pages, it is only at the very bottom that the qualifier, First
Choice “do[es] not perform or refer for” abortions, appears.
Websites that tell anti-abortion supporters one thing and pregnant women
something else are common among the country’s 2,500 crisis pregnancy centers, or
CPCs—part of a well-documented history of using misinformation and deception, as
well as free ultrasounds and other services, to deter women from having
abortions. Some of the best-known strategies include opening “fake” clinics near
real abortion clinics, misstating the purported harms of abortion and emergency
contraception, and pushing the unproven medical procedure known as “abortion
pill reversal.”
> Blue states have repeatedly tried to rein in CPCs. But as faith-based
> organizations, pregnancy centers have a powerful shield—the First Amendment.
Blue-state lawmakers and attorneys general have repeatedly tried to rein in
CPCs. But as faith-based organizations, these pregnancy centers have a powerful
shield—the First Amendment. When states try to regulate them, CPCs invariably
claim that these efforts violate constitutional protections for free speech,
religious expression, and freedom of association. In a landmark 2018 decision,
the US Supreme Court sided with the CPC industry, blocking a California law that
would have required pregnancy centers to inform patients about state-funded
family-planning services, including abortion.
That decision chilled state and local efforts to curb CPCs’ more controversial
practices, creating what one legal scholar has called “a regulatory dead zone.”
Meanwhile, since the fall of Roe v. Wade, the number of CPCs has grown—boosted
by a surge in state funding and private donations—and reproductive rights
supporters have renewed their push for greater oversight, this time focusing on
consumer protection.
On Tuesday, the Supreme Court will hear arguments in its latest CPC case, this
one involving New Jersey’s efforts to investigate whether First Choice may have
misled consumers. The question before the court is technical: Can CPCs run
directly to federal court to fight an attorney general’s subpoena, as First
Choice did, or must they first go to state court? As reporters Garnet Henderson
and Susan Rinkunas recently wrote in Mother Jones and Autonomy News, the answer
could have sweeping consequences for the $2 billion-a-year CPC industry:
> Boring as this procedural quibble may seem, a favorable decision would be a
> significant win for CPCs. They have a much better shot at winning any case in
> the Trumpified federal courts than they do in state courts that may be more
> supportive of abortion rights. What’s more, the ability to use friendly
> federal courts as a shield from state regulation would set pregnancy centers
> up for success in other lawsuits making their way to the Supreme Court—ones
> that could eliminate states’ ability to crack down on [abortion pill reversal]
> and other questionable practices entirely.
But the case has also raised concerns among groups aligned with progressives
that the same type of subpoenas issued by New Jersey against First Choice could
be weaponized against humanitarian groups, journalists, and protesters. “The
problem is bipartisan,” the ACLU wrote in one amicus brief. While New Jersey
focuses on crisis pregnancy centers, “Florida’s attorney general pursues
restaurants for hosting drag shows,” and Missouri’s attorney general
investigates chatbots “to find out why they express disfavored views about
President Trump.”
In another brief, lawyers for Annunciation House, a Texas nonprofit that has
been targeted for providing shelter and support to immigrants, wrote, “Nonprofit
organizations—which rely heavily on volunteers—bear the heaviest burdens when
faced with…state investigatory demands.” The stakes, the brief said, “can be
existential.”
The case dates from November 2023, when New Jersey Attorney General Matthew
Platkin—an abortion rights supporter and CPC critic—issued a subpoena against
First Choice as part of an investigation into whether the pregnancy chain was
“misleading donors and potential clients into believing that it was providing
certain reproductive health care services,” Platkin’s office states in a brief.
The subpoena was broad, seeking 10 years’ worth of emails, videos, handbooks,
the identities of many of its donors, and other information about First Choice’s
ads and solicitations, its services and staff, and its claims about medical
procedures, including abortion pill reversal.
State and federal agencies have been using similar subpoenas to investigate
potential violations of the laws they enforce for over 150 years, Platkin’s
brief points out. Such subpoenas are not “self-executing,” meaning that
Platkin’s office didn’t have the power to enforce them. Instead, in New Jersey
and the rest of the country, the long-accepted procedure for enforcing or
challenging a state agency’s subpoena is to seek relief in state court. If First
Choice disagreed with the ruling from a New Jersey court, it could then plead
its case in federal court.
But First Choice’s attorneys—the conservative legal behemoth Alliance Defending
Freedom—cried foul, saying the CPC had done nothing wrong and accusing Platkin
of “selectively target[ing] the nonprofit based on its religious speech and
pro-life views.” Pregnancy centers “have been subject to a shocking level of
violence and intimidation,” ADF asserted in one court filing. “First Choice is
concerned that if its donors’ identities became public, they may be subjected to
similar threats.”
> “We haven’t forced those services on anyone. We haven’t charged any women for
> the services we provide…. Yet Platkin calls this kind of caring ‘extremist.’”
The lawyers also pointed to a 2021 Supreme Court precedent blocking California’s
efforts to force charities and nonprofits in the state to report the identities
of their major donors. According to ADF, the Platkin subpoena was so concerning
that First Choice should be able to seek immediate relief in the federal courts,
rather than having to expend time and resources litigating the issue first in
state court. The ADF team—including Erin Hawley, wife of Missouri GOP Sen. Josh
Hawley—compared Platkin’s investigation to Southern states’ attempts to force
the NAACP to produce member lists in the late 1950s and early ’60s.
In an op-ed for NJ.com, First Choice’s executive director, Aimee Huber, noted
that in 2022 alone, CPCs throughout the US provided 500,000 free ultrasounds,
200,000 STI tests, 3.5 million packs of diapers, and 43,000 car seats to women
and families in need. “Over the last 40 years, First Choice has been privileged
to offer crucial resources to more than 36,000 women across our state. We
haven’t forced those services on anyone. We haven’t charged any women for the
services we provide…Yet Platkin calls this kind of caring ‘extremist.’”
But courts have repeatedly ruled that the case wasn’t ready—or “ripe”—to be
litigated in federal court. A state judge, meanwhile, ordered Platkin and First
Choice to negotiate to narrow the subpoena’s scope. The first time First Choice
asked the Supreme Court to weigh in, back in February 2024, the justices
declined. But when ADF tried again, this past spring, the court took the case.
Most of the amicus briefs siding with First Choice are from a predictable
collection of anti-abortion and conservative or libertarian groups, including
red-state attorneys general, Republican members of Congress, the Second
Amendment Foundation, and the Koch-funded American Legislative Exchange Council,
or ALEC. But the CPC chain also received support from some unexpected quarters,
including animal rights activists, the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the
Press, and the Foundation for Individual Rights and Expression, represented by
the ACLU.
In its brief, the humanitarian relief group Annunciation House described being
hit with an investigative subpoena by Ken Paxton in 2024 demanding that it
immediately turn over thousands of documents about immigrants and refugees it
has helped—including sensitive medical and personally identifiable
information—or face being shut down. The subpoena touched off a grueling, costly
fight in state courts, with the Texas Supreme Court ultimately siding with
Paxton.
“The chilling effect impacts not only the targeted nonprofit, but also the
broader nonprofit community, as organizations may avoid lawful speech or actions
out
of fear that they will lead to investigatory scrutiny,” the Annunciation House
lawyers write. “Left unchecked, the [subpoena] process becomes the punishment.”
In an interview with Mother Jones, Grayson Clary, a lawyer at the Reporters
Committee, raised similar concerns. “Well beyond the context of this crisis
pregnancy center, we have seen more state attorneys general trying to use their
consumer protection authorities in new and potentially troubling ways, including
to investigate news organizations,” he said, pointing to a Missouri case
targeting the left-leaning Media Matters. “Saying, ‘We’re not after the
journalism—we’re just protecting the consumers’ is often a fig leaf for efforts
to control the content that a news organization is putting out.”
“In practical terms,” Clary said, “what’s at stake in this question is how much
of a tax does a state attorney general get to place on you for speaking, or for
publishing news that they might disagree with, before you get a chance to ask a
court to put a halt to it? And that question really can, in practical terms, be
life or death, especially for a smaller or nonprofit news outlet,”
On the abortion-rights side, what is most surprising about the amicus briefs is
that they are nonexistent. But one group paying close attention to the case is
Reproductive Health and Freedom Watch, a CPC watchdog. “If the Court finds in
favor of this pregnancy center,” executive director Debra Rosen says, “I worry
that it’s going to chill further scrutiny into this massive [CPC] industry.”
Instead, amicus briefs in support of keeping the First Choice case out of
federal court come from agencies that routinely issue investigative subpoenas,
including blue-state attorneys general and state medical boards. The
consequences of adopting First Choice’s argument would be “far-reaching,”
Platkin’s office argues, “turning every quotidian subpoena dispute into a
federal case.”
The Supreme Court is expected to rule in the case by next summer.
After Wednesday’s oral arguments at the Supreme Court, it appears that a
majority of the justices will vote to halt Trump’s imposition of sweeping
tariffs under a 1977 emergency powers act. But a loss for Trump will, in fact,
be doing him a favor. And the GOP-appointed justices—who have spent the past 10
months giving Trump virtually everything he wants—surely know this.
> An anti-Trump turn is a problem not just for the president, but also for the
> Republican-appointed justices.
Beginning in February, Trump imposed sweeping and ever-changing tariffs on
nearly every nation in the world. The Constitution explicitly gives Congress the
power to levy tariffs and taxes. But Trump claims an unlimited tariff power
under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act (IEEPA), a 1977 law that
authorizes the president to respond to “any unusual and extraordinary threat”
from abroad. This includes the power to “regulate… importation or exportation
of…property in which any foreign country or a national thereof has any
interest.” The word “regulate,” Solicitor General John Sauer argued on Wednesday
on behalf of Trump, must be read to include “tariff regulation,” which he called
“the quintessential, most historically-tested method of regulating imports.”
The response from the small businesses challenging the tariffs, as their lawyer
Neal Katyal put it during arguments, is that this reading is nonsensical. “It’s
simply implausible that in enacting IEEPA, Congress handed the president the
power to overhaul the entire tariff system and the American economy in the
process, allowing him to set and reset tariffs on any and every product from any
and every country at any and all times,” he said.
The three liberal justices seemed to agree, and were joined by several
Republican appointees who also showed serious doubts—likely enough to count to
at least a five-vote majority to knock down Trump’s tariffs. Chief Justice John
Roberts, who has used his position to do Trump a lot of favors, noted that
Trump’s use of IEEPA to claim an unlimited tariff authority ran up against the
separation of powers. Tariffs are “taxes on Americans, and that has always been
the core power of Congress,” he said. Justice Neil Gorsuch, likewise a reliable
pro-Trump vote, worried that gifting Trump a vast power to impose tariffs would
be a “one-way ratchet toward the gradual but continual accretion of power in the
executive branch and away from the People’s elected Representatives.” (This is
not a worry Gorsuch expressed when he and other GOP appointees voted to exempt
the president from criminal laws Congress wrote, or when they let Trump withhold
funds appropriated by Congress, fire commissioners protected by Congress, gut
agencies enacted by Congress, and ignore other statutes passed by Congress.)
Something about taxes seems to reignite the GOP justices’ appreciation for
democracy.
Near the end of Wednesday’s hearing, Justice Sonia Sotomayor voiced the same
basic concern: “What we’re forgetting here is a very fundamental point, which is
the Constitution is structured so that if I’m going to be asked to pay for
something as a citizen, that it’s through a bill that is generated through
Congress. And the President has the power to veto it or not, but I’m not going
to be taxed unless both houses, the executive and the legislature, have made
that choice.” She continued: “The president threatened to impose a 10 percent
tax on Canada for an ad it ran on tariffs during the World Series. He imposed a
40 percent tax on Brazil because its Supreme Court permitted the prosecution of
one of its former presidents for criminal activity. The point is, those may be
good policies, but does a statute that gives, without limit, the power to a
president to impose this kind of tax, does it require more than the word
‘regulate?’”
It seems likely that a majority will agree that “regulate” is not enough to
transform the world economy and bestow on Trump the kind of erratic and unbound
power Sotomayor described to impose tariffs whenever it strikes his fancy.
But in knocking down Trump’s attempt to impose tariffs under IEEPA, the justices
who have been so solicitous of his desires would be doing Trump another favor.
Of course, the president, whose one consistent policy preference in life has
been for protectionism, is unlikely to see it that way. Trump has weaponized
tariffs as a means of control, not just over other countries, but as a tool to
punish and reward loyalty from powerful Americans. But in doing so, he will make
prices go up and employment go down. Those are not the conditions that a winning
political party presides over.
It was likely not lost on the justices that hours before oral arguments,
Democrats won sweeping victories in off-year elections. In the New York City
mayoral election, Zohran Mamdani, a democratic socialist, won a resounding
victory in what began as a long-shot campaign focused on the soaring cost of
living. Democrats likewise won gubernatorial races in Virginia and New Jersey by
focusing on affordability and won voters who said the economy was their foremost
concern. As Trump builds a ballroom while withholding food aid, voters are
increasingly skeptical of the idea that he is putting their wellbeing first.
As their discontent grows, an anti-Trump turn is a problem not just for the
president, but also for the Republican-appointed justices, who may see their own
majority on the court dismantled if Democrats return to power in 2028. Moreover,
the Republican justices are firmly embedded in the larger project of elevating
the interests of the GOP’s wealthy, white, and conservative Christian
stakeholders. They have gone to bat for these interests again and again,
including in their embrace of Trump. Letting Trump go wild with tariffs might,
ultimately, help unravel that project.
One of the keys to cementing authoritarianism is to preserve a sense of normalcy
while consolidating control. The way to do this—to allow most Americans to go
about their days as they did before—is to make sure the economy stays on track.
But Trump’s predilection for tariffs, and the levers of power they give him,
make him an economic menace. Reining in Trump’s ability to issue tariffs in such
a disruptive manner would ease his immediate economic impact, while still
allowing him to impose some tariffs under other authorities. Roberts and some of
his fellow conservatives on the Court may understand that to win the war, Trump
must lose the battle.
There is another element to the GOP wing’s political calculus. The ultra-wealthy
donors who have spent millions create the court’s conservative 6-3 majority
oppose these tariffs. The Koch network and its allies lean libertarian, and
groups they support to pursue deregulatory and anti-labor agendas have signed on
to represent the anti-tariff position in this case. Given that, a potential loss
for Trump should not be taken as a simple win for liberals or the separation of
powers, but primarily as a win for the plutocrats that the Roberts court has
empowered and enriched for 20 years. They aren’t opposed to Trump, but they want
to curb his anti-capitalist impulses. If they win, it will show they retain
significant sway in the Republican firmament.
But if instead, after all the skepticism the justices showed for Trump’s
tariffs, they grant him sweeping tariff power under IEEPA, it will demonstrate
just how much sway he has over the justices—despite their better judgment.
On Wednesday, the Supreme Court will hear oral arguments over President Donald
Trump’s decision to impose tariffs on almost every nation on earth, in
ever-changing amounts, whenever he feels like it. Legally, this is a case about
any number of complicated questions and legal doctrines, including the
president’s ability to declare emergencies under the International Economic
Emergency Powers Act, the court’s novel major questions doctrine, its dormant
non-delegation doctrine, the proper venue for challenging the tariffs, and the
proper statutory interpretation of IEEPA.
> “This is not just a battle over tariffs.” It’s a battle over just who is in
> charge of the GOP.
But these questions will almost certainly be window-dressing on a decision
driven by how Chief Justice John Roberts and the other five Republican
appointees navigate between the two stakeholders in this case: the powerful
billionaires and business interests behind the challenge to the tariffs and
Trump’s desire to transform the economy into an arm of his personalist rule.
“This is not just a battle over tariffs,” explains Evan Bernick of the Northern
Illinois University College of Law. “It is a battle between competing political
economies within the American right. And how it works out will speak to just who
ultimately has hegemony, who… is shaping the law of the United States.” While
Bernick expects the businesses and states challenging the tariffs to prevail,
“if they do not,” he says, “that tells me things about the relative power of
these competing factions that I did not previously know.”
In February and again in April, Trump cited IEEPA when imposing his sweeping—and
sometimes very high—tariffs, some of which he went on to pause. While the
Constitution grants Congress the power to impose tariffs, Trump claimed his
actions were a legitimate use of that 1977 law, which gives presidents power to
respond to “any unusual and extraordinary threat” from abroad, even though IEEPA
doesn’t specifically name tariffs as an available tool. The court is hearing two
consolidated cases brought by multiple small businesses. Some of the companies’
challenges were brought with support from ideologically conservative and
libertarian nonprofits funded by wealthy Republican-allied donors, most notably
the Koch network.
For decades, the Kochs and their fellow-traveling tycoons, along with the
religious right, channeled millions of dollars into a project to capture the
Supreme Court, successfully creating a loyal 6-3 conservative majority.
Beginning in 2005 with Roberts’ nomination, the Federalist Society vetted
Republican nominees and their allies helped win their confirmations with lots of
money. As Lisa Graves, who leads the judicial watchdog group True North Research
and has published a new book on Roberts, recently told me, “Roberts is really
the beneficiary of the first billionaire-backed campaign to capture the US
Supreme Court.” He’s spent the last 20 years implementing their agenda.
The Roberts Court consistently rules for the interests of this small set of
billionaire political donors, whose money flowed to the Federalist Society and
other activist groups that helped each of the Republican-appointed justices
reach the high court. Further, under Roberts, these members of the court have
increased the political power of the GOP and its wealthiest patrons. For
example, the court has been dismantling the Voting Rights Act to the benefit of
the GOP, a project they will likely finish in the next few months. It has also
cut the power of labor unions, and, by overturning the long-held practice of
courts deferring to agency expertise, declared open season on federal
regulations that industry dislikes. In its stead, the justices invented the
major questions doctrine to justify striking down executive regulations the
court decides are “major” and that don’t have clear authorization from Congress,
and created increasingly radical interpretations of the unitary executive theory
that have weakened agency independence so that partisan politics can destroy
industry regulation.
This clear preference for moneyed interests was detailed by employment lawyer
Scott Budow in a 2021 law review article on how the Roberts Court has changed
labor and employment law. He discussed 15 cases in which the justices cast a
collective 134 votes. “There is no unifying judicial philosophy—such as
originalism or textualism—that neatly explains why conservative justices would
reliably vote in one manner and liberal justices in the opposite manner for
these cases,” he concluded. “Yet, if all one knew was that conservative justices
favor employers and liberal justices favor workers, that person would have
correctly predicted 132 of the 134 votes cast.” That is 98.5 percent of the
time.
“Trying to interpret or anticipate what’s going to happen in cases involving
Trump inside the four corners of legal reasoning will fail, and hasn’t really
explained almost anything the Robert’s court [has done] for the last 20 years,”
says Michael Podhorzer, the former political director of the AFL-CIO. “Instead,
if you step back and think about the interests that elevated the six of them to
the court, then that is really very clarifying.”
> This case has big business going up against the president.
In their 2022 book The Scheme: How the Right Wing Used Dark Money to Capture the
Supreme Court, Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (D-R.I.) and attorney Jennifer Mueller
breakdown not only the story of how a small handful of rightwing families and
groups channeled millions to put allies on the court, but how they also fund an
array of legal outfits to bring cases and file amicus briefs—filings that help
to signal to the justices which way their benefactors hope they will rule. As
Whitehouse and Mueller write, between 2014 and 2020, 16 rightwing foundations
gave nearly $69 million to 11 groups that filed amicus curiae briefs urging the
court to hobble the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which guards against
predatory financial industry practices, as well as more than $33 million to the
Federalist Society. These groups include the Washington Legal Fund, the Pacific
Legal Foundation, the New Civil Liberties Alliance, and the Liberty Justice
Center—all of which have used Koch money to challenge labor unions and weaken
government regulations. Repeatedly, the GOP wing of the court has handed these
organizations, and their donors, major victories.
Those same four legal groups that worked so hard to disempower unions and
destroy the regulatory state are now before the court with a new request: stop
Trump’s arbitrary tariffs. They have a strong case, at least under the Roberts
court’s precedents—after all, the justices have created a brand new doctrine,
the major questions doctrine, and used it to strike down regulations without
clear statutory authorization that industry doesn’t like. Tariffs on nearly
every nation are by every measure “major” actions that can make or break
businesses and reshape both the US and world economies.
But unlike in other major questions doctrine cases, when industry was pitted
against Democratic priorities like environmental regulations or student debt
relief programs that the six conservative justices struck down, this case has
the business community going up against the president.
Trump, too, has been on a winning streak before the six GOP justices, who have
repeatedly used their emergency or shadow docket to greenlight the president’s
agenda, from slashing the federal bureaucracy to detaining suspected immigrants
based on the color of their skin. As of last month, Trump had won some 21
emergency appeals to the court. The Republican wing even restricted lower
courts’ authority to grant relief from Trump’s policies. The logical conclusion
is that the justices are either on board with Trump’s authoritarian project,
protective of his political coalition, or possibly also afraid to cross him for
fear he disobeys their orders. Perhaps it is a combination of these factors, but
the result is a court that contorts itself—or remains completely silent—in order
to repeatedly rule in Trump’s favor. As Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson wrote in a
dissent in August, analogizing her colleagues jurisprudence to a make-believe
game from Calvin and Hobbes: “Calvinball has only one rule: There are no fixed
rules. We seem to have two: that one, and this Administration always wins.”
But this time, the administration is up against the court’s other preferred
client, and one of their winning streaks must come to an end. One view of what’s
coming starts with the solid premise that while ultrawealthy business interests
don’t agree with all of Trump’s agenda, they prefer him to a Democrat. If we
presume that Roberts and the court’s other Federalist Society recruits similarly
view Trump as an essential—even if often misguided—element of their project,
then they will try to limit his tariffs without strongly rebuking him. “I think
the calculus that they’re going through is basically, ‘Would trying to stop him
there lead to electoral defeat, or not? Is it too damaging to them?’” says
Podhorzer, who also expects the court “at a minimum” will “do something that
trims or constrains” Trump’s claimed tariff powers.
“It’s important to look at whatever they end up doing as a reflection of where
that business community is right now,” he adds. A decisive victory for Trump
might signal that big business will tolerate a tariff regime in which they write
multi-million dollar checks to Trump’s ballroom project in exchange for
waivers—although they don’t seem to be there yet because, after all, they did
help bring this challenge in the first place. A big Trump win could also signal
that the justices themselves sense a fundamental shift in where power lies on
the right, from the moneyed interests that created the court to the openly
authoritarian MAGA movement.
Legally, there are a lot of ways the justices could resolve this case. But it
will be more illuminating to think of the Republican wing not as judges weighing
arguments but as mediators seeking a compromise between two competing factions
of the same team.
President Donald Trump is demanding that the Justice Department transfer $230
million in taxpayer dollars into his own personal bank account. He can do this,
because thanks to the Supreme Court’s recent decisions, the executive branch
could accurately be described by King Louis XIV—L’état, c’est Trump.
> When Trump says this is his decision to make, he’s probably right.
At first you might think, ‘Can he do that? Can he just shakedown the DOJ for
roughly a quarter of a billion dollars?’ And then you think about the Supreme
Court opinions under Chief Justice John Roberts, in which the court has shifted
the fundamental structure of American government such that federal agencies,
including the Justice Department, are mere extensions of the president’s will.
Trump, always on the lookout for the next grift, understands the immense power
this bestows on him.
The colossal cash transfer he is demanding is being described as compensation
for investigations the department launched into Russia’s interventions in the
2016 election and Trump’s absconding with classified documents after his first
term. Now that he’s back in the White House, Trump plans to make the government
pay for its appropriate use of its ability to investigate and prosecute to
safeguard our democracy. And he grasps the fact that he has the absolute power
to do that.
“With the country, it’s interesting, because I’m the one that makes the
decision,” Trump said Tuesday, responding to news of the impending payments.
“That decision would have to go across my desk. And it’s awfully strange to make
a decision where I’m paying myself.”
> Trump: "It's awfully strange to make a decision where I'm paying myself. But I
> was damaged very greatly and any money I would get I would give to charity."
>
> — Aaron Rupar (@atrupar.com) 2025-10-21T21:17:21.012Z
Strange indeed—especially since, technically, it is senior Justice Department
officials who would officially sign off on the payments, not the president:
Breaking the story on Tuesday, the New York Times framed the ethical conflict
around the fact that several of the DOJ officials who could sign off on the
payments were formerly Trump’s personal lawyers.
That’s corruption, of course, but in the old school way of putting cronies in a
position to help you. But we’re in a new world now, and Trump himself gets this:
He decides, because he effectively controls every decision made at every agency
(with the possible exception of the Federal Reserve). If he doesn’t like a
decision, he can fire the person responsible. Their desk is now his desk.
Don’t just take it from him: the Supreme Court said so. In a series of opinions,
Chief Justice John Roberts has reinterpreted the Constitution to give Trump this
power. This warping of our constitutional order is known as the unitary
executive theory, and it posits that the framers gave the president complete
control over the executive branch. Last summer, Roberts authored the infamous
immunity decision, Trump’s forever Get Out of Jail Free card, which protected
presidents from virtually all prosecution for official acts. That decision not
only permitted Trump to break the law, it also gave him unfettered control over
the investigative and prosecutorial functions of the DOJ—which presumably
includes issuing payments to those he claims should be compensated for
investigations gone awry. Which all is to say that when Trump says this is his
decision to make, he’s probably right.
As Roberts has handed the presidency more and more power over every inch of the
government, he has never copped to the fact that he was enabling corruption,
theft, or autocracy. Absurdly, he claimed to be increasing democratic
accountability. “The framers made the president the most democratic and
politically accountable official in government,” he wrote in a 2020 decision,
because “only the president (along with the vice president) is elected by the
entire nation.” It’s hard to take this with a straight face; the electoral
college allows a president to win fewer votes and still assume office, and a
president in his second term will not face voters again. (Although Trump may
try.)
Undeterred by these facts, Roberts wrote in a 2021 case that all executive
branch decisions are ultimately the president’s to make: The executive power
“acquires its legitimacy and accountability to the public through ‘a clear and
effective chain of command’ down from the President, on whom all the people
vote.”
The absurdity of Roberts’ decision was laid bare Tuesday: The president gets to
pay himself hundreds of millions in taxpayer dollars, because he controls all
executive branch personnel and all of their decisions, and there’s probably
nothing anyone can do about it. It sure doesn’t feel like our democratic
accountability has increased. Of course, Congress could and should pass a law
prohibiting such payments, and dare the Supreme Court to strike it down—but this
Congress is unlikely to do even that bare minimum in response.
What’s to stop Trump from paying allies the same way? Have them file a complaint
with DOJ over some legal skirmish, and then order the department to pay them
their reward. If Trump gains control of the Federal Reserve—as he is asking the
Supreme Court to give him—he could similarly transform the country’s central
bank into his own “bottomless slush fund,” as the Atlantic’s Rogé Karma reported
last month. He could use the Fed to pay his businesses, his friends, and his
donors. He could even keep ICE’s operations active by hiring private contractors
during a government shutdown, Karma points out, circumventing Congress’ power of
the purse.
If Trump will transfer a quarter billion dollars from the taxpayers to himself,
it’s clear that he wouldn’t shy away from any of these uses—and probably find
more ways to profit that we haven’t even dreamt.
Roberts can claim that he’s expanding democratic accountability. But at this
point, we can all see the mess he’s created. A man who takes from the voters to
line his pockets is not feeling all that accountable to anyone.
The Supreme Court, with its six-to-three Republican-appointed majority, appears
ready to kneecap what remains of the Voting Rights Act’s protections for
minority political representation. During Wednesday’s oral argument in Louisiana
v. Callais, at least five conservative justices seemed ready to enfeeble the
seminal civil rights law such that it will no longer stop white majorities from
locking racial minorities out of elected office. After oral arguments, it’s
clear that this cornerstone of American multi-racial democracy is in grave
peril.
> The conservatives are ready to wind the clock back to 1982, if not earlier.
At issue in the case is Section 2 of the law, which requires that racial
minorities have an equal opportunity to meaningfully participate in the
electoral process. This provision has been used to strike down districting
schemes and maps that prevented Black voters and other racial minorities from
electing their preferred representatives. Since 1965, Section 2 has given people
of color a seat at the table, from school boards to the halls of Congress. It
appears this 60-year era is coming to an end.
“Race is a part of redistricting always,” Justice Sonia Sotomayor said,
addressing the solicitor general from Louisiana, who was arguing against an
existing map that had enabled the election of two Black members of Congress in
his state. “What you’re saying to us [is]…’You can use [race] to help yourself
achieve goals that reduce particular groups’ electoral participation, but you
can’t use it to remedy that situation.'”
Several GOP-appointed justices appeared uneasy with striking down Section 2
outright, and instead gravitated toward an approach advocated by the Trump
administration which would preserve Section 2 in name only. The administration’s
approach would allow states and localities to cut racial minorities out of the
halls of power by claiming their maps were simply the consequence of respecting
a state’s traditional redistricting principles and the legislature’s prerogative
to seek partisan gain. While people of color could still go to federal court to
claim they are being targeted by racial gerrymandering, it would be very
difficult to prove that their plight was not the incidental result of partisan
politics and historic district lines.
The Supreme Court’s recent precedents virtually ensure that this is a trap few
disenfranchised plaintiffs will be able to escape. In 2019, in a decision by
Chief Justice John Roberts, the GOP appointees held that federal courts have no
role in policing partisan gerrymandering—a decision that greenlit our current
moment in which President Donald Trump has demanded that his allies in state
capitals redraw their congressional maps to give Republicans more seats. Then
last year, in a decision by Justice Samuel Alito, the GOP majority ruled that
lower courts should presume good faith on the part of legislatures charged with
racial gerrymandering, if they maintain that party, not race, guided their
map-drawing.
Being able to cite partisan motivation to deny minority voters equal opportunity
in the electoral process would “swallow Section 2 whole,” Janai Nelson of the
NAACP Legal Defense Fund argued Wednesday. “Party cannot trump the
responsibility of states to ensure that all voters have an equally open
electoral process,” she continued. “The idea that you have to show that party is
the reason for the racially polarized voting would eclipse the entire Section 2
analysis, which is focused on ferreting out and ending race discrimination in
the political process.”
For several of the justices, however, that may not be a bug, but an alluring
feature. Indeed, the Justice Department’s position gives the Republican
appointees the opportunity to say they are simply interpreting Section 2 to
comply with their own recent precedents on gerrymandering. Such a holding would
make it extremely difficult to prove discrimination, without dirtying the GOP
justices with the stain of wiping a hallmark civil rights law entirely from the
books.
This case arose out of Louisiana, which drew a congressional map in 2021 with
one black majority district out of six, even though Black Louisianans make up
nearly a third of the state’s population. Multiple courts found this was a
likely violation of Section 2, and so Louisiana redrew its map with a second
majority-Black district. A group of non-Black voters then sued, alleging that
this new majority-Black district was a racial gerrymander that discriminated
against white voters. The question the court ostensibly considered at oral
argument Wednesday was whether the creation of this second Black opportunity
district violated the Fourteenth Amendment’s equal protection guarantee and the
Fifteenth Amendment’s prohibition on racial discrimination in voting.
> “The racially polarized political environment in Louisiana has become worse,
> not better.”
In their briefs, the lawyers for these non-Black voters, as well the state of
Louisiana, pushed for a more aggressive rollback of Section 2. They argued that
it should only address intentional discrimination, and not maps or policies with
a discriminatory effect. Based on the justices’ reactions at oral argument, they
might prevail in that claim.
But it would be awkward for the court to outright ban a Section 2 effects test
because it already did so in a 1980 case, Mobile v. Bolden. Two years later,
Congress overruled the court’s interpretation and explicitly said that Section 2
can block apparently neutral electoral practices that nonetheless have
discriminatory effects. If the court baldly overturns Congress’ sanctioning of
such an effects test more than forty years later, it would be hard to make it
look like anything besides defiance of the legislative branch.
Instead, at Wednesday’s arguments justices considered other means to diminish or
extinguish Section 2, including, as Justice Brett Kavanaugh pressed multiple
times, enacting a time limit on its ability to require race-conscious maps to
ameliorate racial discrimination. Justice Amy Coney Barrett appeared
sympathetic, seemingly adopting the idea put forward by the non-Black voters
that Section 2 may have been constitutionally warranted to enforce equality in
1965, but is no longer constitutional given current levels of discrimination.
The idea, essentially, is that we have achieved some undefined benchmark of
racial harmony that suddenly made Congress’ vision of Section 2
unconstitutional.
There’s an irony to claiming that race-conscious remedies to racial
discrimination are no longer warranted at the same time racial animus surges in
our politics. In an amicus brief, Black legislators in Louisiana tell the court
that “if anything, the racially polarized political environment in Louisiana has
become worse, not better in recent years.” You don’t have to take their word for
it. Just this week, Politico reported that a group chat of young Republican
Party officials and staffers texted each other a constant stream of racial
epithets and other derogatory language toward minority groups. Over
approximately seven months of chat logs, “epithets like ‘f—-t,’ ‘retarded’ and
‘n–ga’ appeared more than 251 times combined.”
But the reality is that the chat logs aren’t always leaked. It’s hard to prove
intentional discrimination because it’s easy to hide, especially with the tools
that the Supreme Court has already given to legislators to obscure racial
targeting behind partisan maneuvering and the presumption of good faith.
If the court’s conservative wing takes this path, it would ultimately be winding
the clock back at least to 1982, if not earlier—a goal the chief justice has
worked toward throughout his entire career. Roberts, then a young lawyer in the
Reagan Justice Department, led the fight to weaken the Voting Rights Act during
the 1982 reauthorization that overruled the court after Mobile v. Bolden.
“Violations of Section 2 should not be made too easy to prove, since they
provide a basis for the most intrusive interference imaginable by federal courts
into state and local processes,” he wrote at the time. Roberts penned upwards of
25 memos opposing Section 2, arguing that it would lead to “a quota system in
all areas.”
The future chief justice argued that Section 2 should only be used to strike
down instances of intentional discrimination, not laws that have the effect of
discriminating against people of color. He lost that fight when Congress
overwhelmingly reauthorized the law and reinstated the effects test—but now
opponents of the VRA have resurrected Roberts’ arguments forty years later in
the Louisiana case.
Roberts has already succeeded in gutting the VRA on other fronts, most notably
writing the majority opinion in the 2013 case Shelby County v. Holder, which
held that states with long histories of discrimination no longer needed to
approve their voting changes with the federal government. That eliminated the
most effective part of the law.
At the time Roberts wrote that the Shelby County ruling “in no way affects the
permanent, nationwide ban on racial discrimination in voting found in Section
2,” but to no one’s surprise, opponents of the VRA are now on the verge of
gutting the remaining provision of the county’s most important civil rights law.
A decision overturning or crippling Section 2 would turbocharge the GOP’s
current gerrymandering efforts. The loss of Section 2 would be devastating for
communities of color and the Democratic candidates they tend to support, costing
Democrats up to 19 House seats. As much as 30 percent of the Congressional Black
Caucus could lose their seats, according to a report by Fair Fight Action and
the Black Voters Matter Fund.
Even by conservative estimates, Republicans could easily eliminate a half-dozen
Democratic seats, leaving no Democratic representatives or majority-minority
districts in Tennessee and Deep South states including Alabama, Mississippi,
South Carolina, and Louisiana, where voting discrimination has historically been
most prevalent.
Edward Greim, the conservative lawyer who represented the group of
non-African-American voters that challenged the Louisiana map, asked the court
to rule quickly so that Louisiana could draw a new map that would eliminate the
seats of one or more Democratic representatives. The Supreme Court has already
fast-tracked the case, which means that a ruling eviscerating Section 2 could
come well in advance of the 2026 midterms, giving GOP-controlled states ample
time to surgically eliminate Democrats seats and representation for communities
of color.
Beyond the midterms, weakening Section 2—however the justices choose to go about
it—would almost certainly reconstitute state legislatures, city councils,
judicial districts, and every other type of political boundary in which racial
minorities could be excised from government.
“The result,” as the Legal Defense Fund’s Nelson said at oral arguments, “would
be pretty catastrophic.”
The current Supreme Court, helmed by Chief Justice John Roberts, has been
focused on chipping away at civil rights laws and policies for 20 years. On
Wednesday, the justices will hear oral arguments in a case that could represent
not just another chip, but a fatal blow to the load-bearing pillar of American
multi-racial democracy: The 1965 Voting Rights Act.
> The Republican wing is ready to jettison a seminal protection for minority
> voters.
Section 2 of the VRA requires that people of color have an equal opportunity to
elect representatives of their choice. The goal of the legislation was to end
the Jim Crow system in which Black people were shut out of the political
process, particularly in the former confederate states. Over the past 60 years,
the section has curtailed a wide range of discriminatory practices, while
fostering the creation of districts where communities of color can elect
candidates of their choice. To further weaken or dismantle Section 2 would allow
states, cities, and other localities to lock racial minorities out of power,
from Congress to school boards, across the country, and particularly in the
South.
This challenge to Section 2 came from a group of non-Black Louisiana voters and
their Republican-aligned lawyers who allege that the creation of a second
majority-Black district in the state in compliance with Section 2 has actually
violated their rights under the Fourteenth Amendment’s guarantee of equal
protection and the Fifteenth Amendment’s prohibition on racial discrimination in
voting. Their theory of the case is that creating equal voting rights for Black
people is unconstitutional racial discrimination against white people. As they
explicitly state in their briefing: “Rather than eliminating hard-to-reach
discrimination, Section 2 is now discrimination’s main source and aggravator.”
This case should have been decided last term when it came before the court. But
rather than rule on the fate of Louisiana’s second majority-Black district on
narrower grounds, the justices scheduled the case for reargument this week to
address the question of whether using Section 2 to provide political
opportunities to racial minorities is itself unconstitutional race-based
discrimination against white people. The fact that the court, with its 6-3
GOP-appointed majority and its long history of going after voting rights and
civil rights, chose to take up this specific question is a strong indication
that the Republican wing will adopt a version of this argument, weakening or
jettisoning a seminal protection for minority voters across the country.
Legally, this is a perverse argument. The Reconstruction Amendments were adopted
to end slavery and provide Black people with equal rights, including the right
to vote. To use those same amendments as weapons of white supremacy today is not
just legally incorrect—it is a tragedy.
The justices may want to focus on theoretical questions of how to apply the
Constitution’s promises of a right to vote and the equal protection of the laws,
as their framing of the arguments suggest. But the case isn’t just an academic
dispute. It’s actually a case about facts, even if they may be largely absent
from Wednesday’s oral arguments and the majority’s eventual opinion. The
non-Black voters and their lawyers claim Section 2’s requirements burden states
with intrusive federal oversight that is unjustified by current conditions. And
so the question is, on their terms, if the state of Louisiana and the others
have moved so far beyond where we were in 1965 that this law is no longer
warranted.
To ask Black people in Louisiana, the answer is clearly no. Take an amicus brief
from the Louisiana Legislative Black Caucus, an association of state
legislators, which details case after case of discrimination against their
members and Black voters in the state. “Black candidates face both open and
subtle racial indignities when campaigning and some have observed that open
racism has only increased in recent years,” the brief states. “Without this
vital bulwark against anti-Black policies and practices, ongoing efforts to
gerrymander and dilute the Black vote will proceed uninterrupted. Black voters
will be deprived of their right to meaningfully participate in the political
process, plunging Louisiana into a new era of racial ignominy.”
Here are a few choice examples from the brief:
> When one LLBC member recently went door knocking in a predominately white
> neighborhood, he was questioned by a constituent as to why he was campaigning
> there (despite it being squarely within his district). The not so subtle
> message was that even as a Black elected leader, he was not welcome to walk in
> this predominately white neighborhood. Another member, who has held public
> office in various capacities for almost fifty years, has experienced open
> racism on the campaign trail that is just as terrible, if not worse, than when
> he began his career in the 1970s. Earlier in his career, neighbors who
> disagreed (or took issue with the color of his skin) were still cordial and
> polite as he went door to door for his campaigns. During his most recent
> campaign, doors were slammed in his face. Racist comments were uttered as he
> sought to engage with voters and constituents.
>
> In August, the mayoral race in New Orleans was marred by a leaked email in
> which a major donor queried whether and when to inject racial conflict into
> the campaign. The email referenced an allegedly fabricated story that the
> staff of a Black candidate had called the donor’s preferred mayoral candidate
> a “white devil.”…
>
> In 2018, LLBC member Representative Steve Jackson received a death threat when
> running for mayor in Shreveport. Upon returning home one day during the
> campaign, he found a computer printout on his doorstep in which someone had
> placed a photo of his face with a noose around it. Representative Jackson had
> been advocating to remove a Confederate statue from the local courthouse
> property. Below the image, the perpetrator typed out: “LEAVE OUR STATUE &
> PROPERTY ALONE & GET OUT OF THE RACE N——” on the sheet of paper.
The brief goes on to describe how white legislators ignore the concerns of their
Black constituents, making the creation of Black opportunity districts
imperative to Black people’s political power in the state. The legislators say
the situation has become so grievous, with Black people unable to get attention
from their non-Black representatives for crumbling roads and sewage systems,
that Black representatives from other districts effectively must represent those
people. The LLBC has even created “an informal network” to connect Black
residents to the nearest Black representative in order to get their concerns
aired in the state capital.
Without Section 2, they warn, the legislature will strip away as much Black
representation as possible. “LLBC members received a text message while
preparing this brief informing them that they must hold dates in late October
for a potential special session shortly after the hearing for this case,” the
brief states. “There is no question that the goal of the majority in such a
session is to redistrict the State’s congressional map… The Legislature is
poised to act to roll back the progress made over the past several
decades—forecasting how rapidly and aggressively Louisiana will act if this
Court removes protections.” (After pushback, the Louisiana legislature is
expected to wait until after the Supreme Court issues a decision to redraw its
maps.)
On the other side of the ledger, the group of non-Black voters and their lawyers
are light on the facts. The non-Black voters who make up the allegedly injured
party bringing the case don’t seem particularly harmed. A New York Times
investigation found some of the plaintiffs weren’t even aware they were part of
the case, and as their original complaint in district court states, many of the
plaintiffs won’t even be moved into a new district under the map they are
challenging.
> The plaintiffs argue amendments protecting Black citizens must be interpreted
> to ignore their plight.
What little harm they can muster seems to be a weaker version of the harm the
LLBC brief claims Black people already suffer: “The harm is felt by African
American and non-African American voters alike, who no longer can influence
their communities,” the complaint states. “Instead, both sets of voters are
separated from their communities and thrust into districts with other voters
hundreds of miles away, with whom they have little in common apart from race.
The result is they do not have the same power to appeal to their congressional
representatives—some of whom may have no knowledge of their region or culture.”
Whereas this alleged harm is speculative, the real harm of representatives
ignoring their constituents is actually one factor Congress has articulated for
determining whether a minority opportunity district is appropriate under Section
2—and as the LLBC brief points out, it’s already happening to Black voters in
Louisiana.
One of the more startling aspects of the plaintiffs’ arguments against Section 2
comes at the end of the non-Black voters’ September brief to the Supreme Court,
in which the lawyers seem to abandon the suggestion that racial polarization and
animosity have receded to instead paint Black and white Louisianans as engaged
in an eternal struggle over a limited number of congressional seats. Drawing
from Roberts’ decision two years ago ending affirmative action in higher
education, they allege that congressional representation is a “zero-sum”
situation that pits racial groups against each other, in the same way that Black
and white applicants vie for a limited number of spots in a freshman class.
Ensuring representation for Black voters, they continue, “perpetuates
discrimination.” This claim doesn’t actually make sense, nor is it followed by
any sort of explanation—but it does allow them to make reference to a 2007
Roberts opinion in which he famously wrote: “The way to stop discrimination on
the basis of race is to stop discriminating on the basis of race.” In other
words, the lawyers admit that there is currently racial disharmony and then
suggest that the only way to end it is to let white people take representation
from Black people.
The plaintiffs’ arguments in favor of ending Section 2’s protections for racial
minorities in the creation of political maps starts out as an assertion that
current events no longer warrant federal intervention but, in the course of a
single brief, come around to the idea that white people can’t be fairly
represented by Black representatives and that the two races are locked in a
battle over a limited number of Congressional seats. In this contest, they
argue, the Constitution mandates that the amendments enacted to protect Black
citizens after the Civil War must now be interpreted to ignore their plight.
Eviscerating the VRA’s protections for Black voters will not end the use of race
in map drawing. Rather, it will green light rampant racial gerrymanders that
disadvantage minority groups, including Black people in Louisiana and across the
south. These will be race-conscious and racist maps specifically designed to
dismantle black political power as well as Democratic seats. The justices can
call it colorblind, but both sides know that’s not the case.
In greater Los Angeles, the Trump administration’s goal of deporting millions of
people is being operationalized through often violent raids that target people
who appear Latino while waiting for the bus or working in low-wage jobs. A
shorter way to say this is racial profiling of low-income people. Today, the
Republican-appointed justices on the Supreme Court blessed this approach.
> “We should not have to live in a country where the Government can seize anyone
> who looks Latino.”
The ruling, on the so-called shadow docket, is yet another in a long string of
cases since the spring in which the GOP appointees have allowed the Trump
administration’s power grabs. From firing federal workers and agency heads to
deporting people to dangerous countries without due process, the court’s
majority has waived aside precedent, clear statutory language, and even
constitutional protections in order to give this president increasing power.
This time, the pesky thing standing in the way was the Fourth Amendment.
“The Fourth Amendment protects every individual’s constitutional right to be
‘free from arbitrary interference by law officers,'” Justice Sonia Sotomayor
wrote in her dissent, joined by Justices Elena Kagan and Ketanji Brown Jackson.
“After today, that may no longer be true for those who happen to look a certain
way, speak a certain way, and appear to work a certain type of legitimate job
that pays very little.”
Among the administration’s long list of recent wins, this case is particularly
foreboding. It allows the government to target people because of their
appearance and how they speak, as well as where they were found and what kind of
work they do—factors that the district court found likely violate the Fourth
Amendment. To move freely in this country, it may become increasingly important
to look white. As Sotomayor, the court’s only Latino justice, wrote in dissent,
the majority has created a “a second-class citizenship status” of people who may
be subject to harassment. Today’s decision sets a course for the United States
to become a country where masked officers pluck people from streets and
businesses because of how they look.
But to the court’s majority, the Latino citizen or visa holder who must now
carry immigration documents or a passport every time they leave the house, and
who might endure repeated harassment from federal agents anyway, is not the real
victim. Instead, granting emergency relief to the Trump administration indicates
the justices think the greatest harm is that the government might be forced to
turn away from indiscriminate raids and put more effort into finding
undocumented immigrants while this case challenging its tactics moves through
the courts. As former prosecutor Ken White, a frequent media commenter, summed
up the court’s holding: “Supreme Court Rules 6-3 That Fundamental Interests Of
United States Of America Would Be Irreparably Harmed If It[s] Race-Based
Harassment And Detention By Masked Thugs Were Even Temporarily Halted.”
It has become typical that even in extraordinary opinions granting the
administration new powers, the GOP appointees provide little to no explanation.
On Monday, the court’s majority once again declined to explain its rationale in
a written decision—possibly because it doesn’t even have a cohesive argument.
But Justice Brett Kavanaugh nonetheless provided a concurrence, a kind of
opinion that usually accompanies another justice’s fuller explanation. Perhaps
Kavanaugh’s attempt to explain his reasoning in this case provides a partial
explanation for why the majority so often remains silent: to show its reasoning
would be to betray just how weak that reasoning is.
Kavanaugh’s words are all we have to understand the court’s decision. And while
the explanation he provides is poor, that in itself is illuminating. The only
way Kavanaugh can justify the government’s actions is to put on blinders, ignore
the fact-finding performed by the district court, presume the Trump
administration is acting in good faith, and even ignore the actual policy that
the Trump administration is applying. You don’t need to be a lawyer to see the
flaws, or read the counterpoints in Sotomayor’s dissent, to see that some of
what Kavanaugh writes simply doesn’t make sense.
> Millions of people in Los Angeles now fear leaving their homes.
Kavanaugh, for instance, claims that the plaintiffs in this case, which include
citizens who have been detained by ICE during its raids as well four groups that
represent immigrant and worker rights, don’t have standing to challenge the
administration’s immigration enforcement in Los Angeles because individuals and
association members are unlikely to be detained again. “What matters is the
‘reality of the threat of repeated injury,'” he writes, before ludicrously
concluding that the plaintiffs “have no good basis to believe that law
enforcement will unlawfully stop them in the future based on the prohibited
factors—and certainly no good basis for believing that any stop of the
plaintiffs is imminent.” That must be news to the millions of people in Los
Angeles who now fear leaving their homes, not because they have done anything
illegal but because simply being at work, waiting for the bus, or going to Home
Depot is enough to get slammed against a wall or taken to a warehouse for
questioning.
If you are a Latino citizen who takes the bus to work in Los Angeles or
frequents Home Depot, and ICE detains you once, what would insulate you from the
same thing from happening again? Of course, the answer is nothing. Kavanaugh’s
reasoning here seems to completely ignore how ICE is choosing its targets, even
though that is literally the subject of the lawsuit.
Kavanaugh’s rejection of the facts continues when he brushes aside the often
violent reality of ICE raids, as documented by the plaintiffs, and instead
dismisses an ICE stop as a minor inconvenience. “As for stops of those
individuals who are legally in the country, the questioning in those
circumstances is typically brief, and those individuals may promptly go free
after making clear to the immigration officers that they are U. S. citizens or
otherwise legally in the United States.” Sure, that’s possible.
But Kavanaugh’s chipper language is belied by recent images of hundreds of
people being shackled at a Hyundai plant site in Georgia, and bused 100 miles to
a detention center, including reportedly people with valid work permits and
citizens—even those with their immigration documents on them—where some were
held for days. Evidence presented by the plaintiffs in this case demonstrated
that citizens were pinned against walls and driven away for questioning. There
is an indignity that goes along with always having to carry papers because of
what you look like. But Kavanaugh doesn’t acknowledge any of that. To do that,
he would have to acknowledge that the most-harmed party might not actually be
Trump and his plans.
“We should not have to live in a country where the Government can seize anyone
who looks Latino, speaks Spanish, and appears to work a low wage job,” Sotomayor
wrote. In LA now, that is the reality, at least as long as this case continues.
And there’s no reason in this opinion to assume it won’t soon be the reality for
the rest of us, too.
The Voting Rights Act turned 60 years old this month. It’s a landmark piece of
legislation designed to enforce voting rights protected by the Constitution,
especially for Black Americans in Southern states with a history of suppressing
racial minorities from voting. The act is considered one of the most effective
laws ever passed to protect voting rights. Today, it’s a shell of itself.
Jamelle Bouie, a political columnist for The New York Times, often analyzes
today’s political stories through the lens of a historian. He’s written about
why the Dred Scott Supreme Court decision to exclude African Americans from
becoming citizens still matters today and how the Trump administration’s war on
the federal government is similar to the Iraq War’s “shock and awe” campaign.
And he’s recently taken on the conservative movement’s successful effort to
dismantle the Voting Rights Act.
“The notion that everyone deserves equal access to the ballot, that everyone
deserves equal access to elections, that one person ought to mean one vote, and
that there ought to be some measure of political equality has never really sat
well with the political right in this country,” Bouie says.
On this week’s More To The Story, Bouie sits down with host Al Letson to talk
about how the Voting Rights Act has been defanged by the Supreme Court, why the
Democratic Party is made up of “a bunch of weenies,” and why he believes the
country is now in a constitutional emergency.
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Al Letson: So this month marks the 60th anniversary of the Voting Rights Act
being signed into law by President Lyndon B. Johnson. The Supreme Court seems to
be dismantling it bit by bit. Tell me a little bit about the history of the act
and how it’s changed over the years.
Jamelle Bouie: The Voting Rights Act is more or less drafted and passed and
signed in the first half, more or less of 1965. It’s signed into law August 6th,
1965. Much of the work is done earlier in the year. And anyone who’s seen the
movie Selma, who knows sort of basic civil rights chronology, knows that it was
prompted, precipitated by movement efforts to demonstrate the high barriers to
voting that still existed post 1964 Civil Rights Act.
And the signature piece of it, the piece of it that really made it
transformative was section five, which is called pre-clearance. And
pre-clearance simply meant that in jurisdictions covered by the law, if they
wanted to change their voting rules, they had to go to the Justice Department,
submit them and get approval. That’s it. But in practice it meant that lots of
localities and municipalities and states that were looking for ways to dilute or
otherwise undermine the voting power of black residents simply couldn’t because
the federal government was maintaining kind of a sharp and watchful eye over
their conduct.
And in the 2013 case, Shelby County Beholder, the Supreme Court basically gutted
pre-clearance. Specifically the court said that the existing pre-clearance
formula, which was based off of states that had histories of voting
discrimination, was outdated. John Roberts essentially is saying, the chief
justice, he wrote the opinion for the court. Roberts saying that, “Times have
changed. It’s unfair to hold these states to account for actions taken in a
previous generation.”
So in theory, a Congress could pass a new voting rights bill with a different
formula for pre-clearance. You could have universal pre-clearance, which is
something I would prefer, where all states had to submit voting plans prior to
enactment, to make sure they’re not discriminating. But in practice, Congress
just has not had a voting majority for any kind of serious voting rights bill.
And so the Roberts Court decision and pre-clearance, and subsequent decisions
from the court have weakened the law in other ways.
So in 2021, for example, in a decision written by Justice Samuel Alito, the
court held that you needed to prove intent to discriminate in order to file suit
under section two, which gives sort of a cause of action. You can sue under
section two for voting discrimination.
And proving intent is so hard, the evidence of it you can see and clearly point
to, but proving intent, I mean that’s a tough bar to reach.
That’s what made the decision in 2021 so absurd, because even at the height of
voting discrimination in this country, lawmakers were smart enough not to say,
“We’re doing this to discriminate against Black people or Hispanic people or
whomever.” The 15th Amendment still exists. It explicitly bars discrimination in
voting on race. And so obviously lawmakers figured out ways to get around it.
And so to prove intent, it’s impossible.
I think people that are watching the way politics are playing out right now,
especially if you’re not a student of history, you may not realize that all of
these movements, everything that we’re seeing right now has been in the works
for a very long time. Like Chief Justice Roberts hasn’t liked the Voting Rights
Act since he was a young man working under Chief Justice William Rehnquist. So
this is sort of fulfillment of a promise that was made many years ago, to shift
society into this new place or maybe more accurately, to shift society back to
an old place.
I think that’s right. I mean, Roberts has a long history of disliking the Voting
Rights Act, but in general, the conservative movement has never liked the Voting
Rights Act. It’s never liked the idea of a federal government exercising its
authority in strong ways to curb states from shaping their electorates and
shaping their elections.
The notion that everyone deserves equal access to the ballot, that everyone
deserves equal access to elections, that one person ought to mean one vote, and
that there ought to be some measure of political equality has never really sat
well with the political right in this country. And with the Trump administration
and with the Supreme Court, they are very clearly aiming to use this power to
advance their vision of some people have more access than others.
So do you feel like we are in a constitutional crisis?
I mean, yeah, I’m very much of the view that we’re in some kind of
constitutional emergency, whether you want to call it a constitutional crisis,
whether you want to describe it as an ongoing assault on the constitutional
structure, the term I like a lot, whether you want to see it as an acute
instance of constitutional rot, the foundation is rotting under our feet,
however you want to describe it, right? There’s different ways to talk about
this. I think it’s clearly true that we’re in a state of constitutional
emergency.
So I want to step back a little bit and just look at the Democratic Party. I’m
curious if the struggles that you’re seeing right now, like what’s going on with
the Voting Act, but also when we look at taking away women’s rights to choose,
in red states, I’m curious if you think that the Democratic Party has just been
a little bit too meek in the past and not been able to codify these things. I’ve
heard many people say that the argument over Roe V. Wade, we didn’t even need to
have that. It could have been codified to stop this from happening, but the
Democrats never did it. I don’t know, what’s your thoughts on that?
I think you could fault the Democrats probably rightfully for not codifying Roe
V. Wade when they had the chance, although it’s worth saying that probably the
first time there was an actual voting majority, like a pro-choice voting
majority in Congress was the most recent democratic trifecta, that people who
remember the 2009 to 2011 cycle may recall that part of what almost killed the
Affordable Care Act were pro-life Democrats who were demanded a promise that
there would not be any funding for abortion in the law.
During the time when there was briefly a Democratic super majority, a chunk of
that super majority constituted Democrats who probably would not vote to codify
Roe V. Wade. So just for saying that. But the reason conservatives are
anti-abortion isn’t because liberals support choice, they’re anti-abortion
because they have a sincere belief that one should not be able to get a legal
abortion. And I think it’s worth remembering that the other side gets a vote,
right? The other side has agency, they don’t do things purely in reaction to
their opponents, but they have an independent source of motivation.
Now having said that, do I think that the Democratic Party is a bunch of
weenies? I do. Do I think that Democrats could use more fight in them? I
absolutely do. I know you know this, but listeners who maybe have not watched
The Wire or rewatched The Wire may not remember, I believe it’s a scene in
season four, when the character Marlowe Stanfield goes into a convenience store
and steals a lollipop just because he can.
And there’s a security guard there who sees him steal it and is like, “Hey man,
could you just do me a solid and put it back, because I know you’re just kind of
disrespecting me to disrespect me, but I have no choice, I have this job. This
is what I do and you know I just can’t let you leave having stolen something.”
And Marlowe, who is kind of like a murderer psychopath, and a powerful on the
rise drug kingpin, looks at him and says to him, “You want it to be one way, but
it’s the other way.”
And I think about that all the time with relation to Democrats. I think so many
elected Democrats who are of a generation of lawmakers who came of age on the
oldest side in the seventies, in the eighties and the nineties, in a period
where even when the country’s politics were headed towards stark polarization,
that would’ve been the nineties. There are still moderate Republicans, there are
still conservative Democrats. There’s still kind of a bipartisan ethos in
Washington. And there’s still the sense in their political upbringing that you
could calm the common ground with your opponents, that you kind of basically
wanted the same things, just had different ways of going about it.
And there was a sense as well that the country was generally kind of
conservative, and so you just had to work around that. And so Democrats of that
ilk, of that generation, I think are just dispositionally inclined to behave as
if their Republican counterparts are operating in good faith, as if they don’t
really mean the extreme things they say. And I think this belief is downstream
of this view that kind of we’re all playing a game, but that’s not how it is.
They want it to be one way, but it’s the other way. And the other way is that,
“No, Republicans want to destroy you.” The Republican Party is out to win and
win for the duration.
To your point, I think that many Democrats, including the current Democratic
leadership, and when I say leadership, I’m talking about Chuck Schumer, they
want to go back or they wholeheartedly believe that we are still living in the
world of Tip O’Neill and Ronald Reagan, and I’m curious if you agree with this,
the Democrats are very much entrenched in the idea of, whose turn is it? Instead
of like, who’s got the sharpest blade? So they will push forward a candidate
that they feel like, “Well, it’s their turn,” instead of the candidate that
really has a blade that’s sharp and can go in and cut, and Republicans are the
exact opposite.
So I do agree with this. I think that Hakeem Jeffries knows that we’re not in
the era of Reagan and Tip O’Neill, but I think what we’re sensing from
democratic leadership is that they imagine themselves in the face of this
chaotic president and this transgressive political movement, they imagine
themselves as the protector of the system. They’re defending the way things used
to be so they can be restored. Unfortunately, this just reads as being weak and
there’s no going back.
What it means is that you can’t do a game of seniority anymore. I think of the
minor in the scheme of things, but revealing, the fight over who is going to be
the ranking member in the House Oversight Committee. Initially Representative
Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was running for that spot and her opponent was Jerry
Connolly. Now Ocasio-Cortez, I believe we’re about the same age, I think. So
she’s like 36, 37. Jerry Connolly was 74 years old, and his supporters were
like, “Yeah, he’s 74, but he’s like a young 74, cancer notwithstanding,” direct
quote, “A young 74, cancer notwithstanding,” and Connolly-
It’s just a wild caveat. I mean, that’s just a wild caveat.
It’s comical. And he won and was promptly just like an inert and not
particularly interesting chairman or ranking member. And he passed away
recently. And it’s like that’s the problem.
I get it. I get it, older members. Leadership may not like AOC all that much.
They may think that she is too aggressive, whatever, but she’s unquestionably
one of the most media savvy and compelling people in the Democratic Party. Why
wouldn’t you want her to be the ranking member on your oversight committee,
which offers plenty of opportunities to make noise against your opponents? Why
wouldn’t you want to do that?
And it demonstrates, as you said, it’s not even that they don’t want to elevate
the person with the sharpest blade. They seem to be afraid of the blade, afraid
of what it looks like to be that aggressive. You see this with the reaction to
Zohran Mamdani, another compelling telegenic, charismatic Democrat, who you
would think that any rational party would be like, “Yeah, let’s make this guy,
let’s elevate this guy because he has it, whatever it is.”
But there’s all this fear, all this worry that like, “Oh, he’s Muslim. Oh, he’s
kind of left-wing. So voters are going to be…” But there’s no understanding that
political leadership is a thing that exists and that you can shape the
environment in which voters understand your party and your candidates ,and the
Democratic Party’s refusal to do this has left it in a situation where voters
don’t know what it stands for, that people who identify as Democrats think the
party is weak, and that Republicans and conservatives can just make up stuff and
say, “Yeah, Democrats said it.” And people, I guess they did.
When you talk about Mamdani, I think about, if there was a, for lack of better
term, a Bizarro Mamdani, where he was the exact opposite, but still charismatic
and all of those things, he’d be a star in the Republican Party, and they’d be
putting a lot of love behind him and pushing him forward. Whereas in the
Democratic Party, they don’t want to touch him. And it’s just a really clear
example of how party leadership seems to be out of step with the actual
rank-and-file members of the party.
This is so true, and it’s interesting. So back in the eighties there was a
conclusion, there are many more moderate Democrats who felt that the party elite
was out of step with the rank-and-file by which they meant that it had moved too
far to the left. And so things like the Democratic Leadership Council, guys like
Bill Clinton were trying to realign the party leadership with what they believed
to be the moderate base of the party.
And I’m not certain that they were wrong, because Clinton does end up winning
two terms as president, Democrats have a pretty good [inaudible 00:17:25] so on,
so forth. I think there’s a misalignment between the party base and the
leadership, but I don’t think it’s an ideological misalignment, and I don’t
think it’s an ideological misalignment because I think the figures who are
rising to the top as people that rank-and-file Democrats are excited about,
don’t have ideology in common. Zohran Mamdani, AOC, Bernie Sanders, Gavin
Newsom, JB Pritzker, they’re all over the board of Democratic Party ideology.
But what they have in common is a willingness to treat Republicans not as
wayward colleagues, but as opponents, as people you have to beat and to be
willing to be creative and compelling in attempting to do that. And that’s I
think, where the mismatch is. You see, there are a lot of polls right now
showing Democratic Party’s low overall approval, but so much of it is driven by
actual Democratic voters looking to Washington and just being frustrated with
Chuck Schumer and Jeffries and aging and inert leadership.
If Democrats can solve that problem, if it can elevate people who understand
that the moment that we’re in requires more fight, then those numbers are going
to go up.
So Jamelle, there is one thing in politics that drives me absolutely crazy.
Whenever there’s an election, I hear people say, “We need candidate X in office
because he’s a good businessman and we need government to run like a business.”
What do you think about that?
So I 100% agree about the notion that it’s absurd to want to think of government
as a business. The goal of a business is to make a profit. The goal of a
government is to deliver services. A businesses run like a little dictatorship,
right? The CEO says, the boss says what goes. And the thing about businesses is
a lot of them fail, but I’ll say that I think maybe one reason the public is so
attracted to this notion of running the government like a business, aside from
the way that our culture elevates the businessman as this figure of emulation,
the entrepreneur.
But I think one reason perhaps is that our government does not do a good job of
delivering services in a way that makes it clear that this is a product of the
government. So much of what our government does is obscured under layers of tax
credits and incentives and that kind of thing. Direct benefits, a one-to-one
relationship between, we say we’re going to do this, and this happens to you,
few and far between, and I think it creates the impression that the government
isn’t doing anything.
I’m always struck by, people love social security, they love social security,
they love Medicare, and I think one of the reasons is that social security is
very simple. You see, in your check it says you pay your social security tax,
and then when you turn 65 or 67, you get a check in return. It’s very
straightforward.
Yep. Simple.
To go back to Mamdani, I’m convinced that part of his appeal isn’t even the
substance of the policies, but the fact that they’re so simple. Free buses,.
City grocery stores, rent control, that’s easy to understand. It’s simple. Our
federal government doesn’t do this so well.
I also think, to your point, that what Trump has done very well is made his
policies simple. It’s Make America Great Again, and these are all the things
that I’m going to do to enact that. And also, say what you want about Trump, he
is a master marketer and he has an innate understanding of his audience. And so
when the COVID checks went out and he made sure that his name was on it, even
though he was opposed to the checks going out, when people got those checks,
they saw his name on it. But the fact that the effective political messaging
keeps it simple is a huge part of it.
I think that’s absolutely right. I have a couple thoughts. The first is that,
the example of Trump putting his name on the checks is such a great one. During
the last year’s election, there was a rally where Obama was speaking, and Obama
was praising Biden for not putting his name on his checks because that showed he
was for the American people and not just for himself.
But I saw that and I was like, “That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard,” that
politics isn’t this game of showing how responsible you are. First of all, it’s
winning elections, but second of all, it’s using rhetoric, public engagement,
public speaking, public discourse to connect ordinary people to government and
to persuade them that you will do better for them than the other guy. And that
involves sending messages however you can. And so if writing your name on the
check is what it takes to remind voters that you are doing something for them,
you should do it.
This is the basic insight of the old 19th century political machines. You’re an
Irish immigrant. You show up in New York and boss, the Tammany machine, greets
you, says, “Hey, I represent this neighborhood. You need a job, you need a place
to live? Come to me. We’ll get you a job.”
And the job is coming from Tammany, it’s coming from us, and the only thing we
need from you is your support. Election comes along, give us a ballot. That’s
all we need. That direct relationship, yeah, there’s corruption, whatever, but
that represents a direct relationship between the representative, the system,
and the voter. And Trump, I think kind of intuitively gets this. He’s very 19th
century figure in a lot of ways. He intuitively gets this, and I’m not sure
Democrats intuitively get this, some do, but I think that this older generation,
existing leadership are too just acculturated in this era where that kind of
directness seems like uncouth or inappropriate.
But no, it’s exactly what’s needed. And yes, does it mean maybe that you can’t
have big complicated policies anymore? Probably, but that’s probably a good
thing to begin with. Maybe there should be a return to just simplicity in our
policymaking, rather than trying to figure out what kind of tax credits you’re
going to get if you make this kind of money, just say, “Oh, every family gets a
flat amount of money to help with their kids. Everyone gets access to a basic
level of healthcare. Everyone gets a flat amount of money to help pay for
housing.”
It’s simple and it’s direct thing. Roosevelt understood this. I mean, you go
around the country, you’ll find buildings that still have that dude’s name
stamped right in them, reminding you that you have this bill, you have this
library, you have this courthouse, you have this playground because Franklin
Delano Roosevelt wanted you to have it, and that’s powerful.
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