A year ago this month, President Donald Trump granted clemency to nearly 1,600
people responsible for the January 6 insurrection at the US Capitol. When Robert
Pape, a University of Chicago political science professor who studies domestic
political violence, heard about the pardons, he says he immediately thought it
was “going to be the worst thing that happened in the second Trump presidency.”
The first year of Trump’s second term has been a blizzard of policies and
executive actions that have shattered presidential norms, been challenged in
court as unlawful, threatened to remake the federal government, and redefined
the limits of presidential power. But Pape argues that Trump’s decision to
pardon and set free the January 6 insurrectionists, including hundreds who had
been found guilty of assaulting police, could be the most consequential decision
of his second term.
“There are many ways we could lose our democracy. But the most worrisome way is
through political violence,” Pape says. “Because the political violence is what
would make the democratic backsliding you’re so used to hearing about
irreversible. And then how might that actually happen? You get people willing to
fight for Trump.”
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On this week’s More To The Story, Pape talks with host Al Letson about how
America’s transformation to a white minority is fueling the nation’s growing
political violence, the remarkable political geography of the insurrectionists,
and the glimmers of hope he’s found in his research that democracy can survive
this pivotal moment in history.
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Al Letson: Bob, how are you today?
Robert Pape: Oh, I’m great. I’m terrific. This is just a great time to be in
Chicago. A little cold, but that’s Chicago.
I was about to say, great time for you. I’m a Florida boy, so I was just in
Chicago, I was like, let me go home. So Bob, I thought I would kind of start off
a little bit and kind of give you my background into why I’m really interested
about the things that we’re going to be talking about today, right after
Charlottesville happened. When I look back now, I feel like it was such a
precursor for where we are today. And also I think in 2016 I was looking back
and it felt like… Strangely, it felt like Oklahoma City, the bombing in Oklahoma
City was a precursor for that. Ever since then, I’ve just really been thinking a
lot about where we are as a society and political violence in America. The
origins of it, which I think are baked deeply into the country itself. But I’m
also very interested on where we’re going, because I believe that leadership
plays a big role in that, right? And so when you have leaders that try to walk
us back from the edge, we walk back from the edge. When you have leaders that
say charge forward, we go over the edge. And it feels like in the last decade or
so we’ve been see-sawing between the two things.
So let me just say that you are quite right, that political violence has been a
big part of our country and this is not something that is in any way new to the
last few years. And that’s also why you can think about this when you talk about
2016, going back to 1995, with the Oklahoma City bombing here and thinking about
things from the right and militia groups and right-wing political violence.
Because that in particular from the seventies through 2016, even afterwards of
course, has been a big part of our country and what we’ve experienced. But I
just have to say a big but here, it’s not just the same old story. Because
starting right around 2016, it would’ve been hard to know this in 2016 and even
really 2017, ’18 and ’19, you were there right at the beginning of a new layer,
so to speak, of political violence that is growing.
It’s not that the old layer went away, which is why it’s been a little bit, I
think, mystifying and confusing for some folks, and that’s folks who even cover
this pretty closely, like the Southern Poverty Law Center and the
Anti-Defamation League and so forth. Because it took a few years before they
started to see that there was some new trends emerging, growing political
violence. It was getting larger. The old profiles of who was doing the violent
attacks were starting to widen. And in many ways that’s scarier and more
dangerous than if they’re kind of narrow because we like our villains to be
monsters who are far away from us and they couldn’t possibly be living next door
to us. Whereas the closer they come, the more edgy it feels. So what you’re
really experiencing there is the very beginning of where I date the beginning of
our shift to the era of violent populism. We’re in a new world, but it’s a world
on top of the old world. The old world didn’t go away.
No, no, no. It feels like the old world is really the foundation that this new
house of violence has been raised around. All of that that happened in the past
was the foundation. And then in 2016, 2017, some people would say 2014, in that
timeframe, the scaffolding began to go up and then Trump gets into office and
then suddenly it’s a full-blown house that now all of America is living in.
Well, if you look at the attacks on African-Americans, on Jews and Hispanics,
except for going all the way back to the 1920 race time, except for that, these
large-scale attacks have clustered since 2016. Then we have the Tree of Life
Synagogue in 2018, that’s the largest attack killing, mass killing of Jews ever
in the United States. And then we have August, 2019, the attack at the El Paso
Walmart killing more Hispanics in a day than has ever been killed in our
country. So there’s a pointed wave, if you see what I mean here. And race is
certainly playing a role.
So when you say how does this tie to the old layer or the existing layer, one of
the big foundations here is absolutely race. What’s really sad and really tragic
is in this new era of violent populism, that’s a term I like to use because it’s
not just the same old, but it’s not quite civil war. In this new era, we’ve seen
things move from the fringe where they were bad but happened more or less
rarely, to more the mainstream where they’re happening more and more. And our
surveys show this, people feel very fearful right now, and there’s actual reason
for that. That’s not just media hype. There have been more events. We see them
and they are real. We really have a time here that people are, I’m sorry to say,
concerned. And there’s reason to be concerned.
Yeah, as you say, the thing that pops up in my mind is the fact that white
supremacy, which I think for a long time held sway over this country. And then I
think that white supremacy in a lot of ways always held onto the power. But
there was a time where being a racist was not cool and looked down upon. And so
racism, while still evident, still holding people down, it’s built into
institutions, all of that. I’m not saying that racism was away, I’m just saying
that expressing it openly is now in the mainstream. I mean, we just heard
President Trump recently talking about Somalis-
Absolutely, yeah.
In a very… I mean, just straight up, there is no difference between what he said
about Somalis than what a Klansman in the forties in front of a burning cross
would say about Black people, like zero difference.
Yeah. So the reason I think we are in this new era, because I think you’re
right, putting your finger on the mainstreaming of fringe ideas, which we used
to think would stay under rocks and so forth, and white supremacy clearly fits
that bill. But what I think is important to know is that we are transitioning
for the first time in our country’s history from a white majority democracy to a
white minority democracy. And social changes like that in other countries around
the world, so I’ve studied political violence for 30 years in many countries
around the world. Big social changes like that Al, often create super issues
with politics, make them more fragile and often lead to political violence. Now,
what’s happening in our country is that we’ve been going through a demographic
change for quite some time. America up through the 1960s was about 85% white as
a country. There was ebbs and flows to be sure. Well, that really started to
change bit by bit, drip by drip in the mid 1960s, whereas by 1990 we were 76%
white as a country. Today we’re 57% white as a country.
In about 10 or 15 years, it depends on mass deportations, and you can see why
then that could be an issue, we will become truly a white minority democracy for
the first time. And that is one of the big issues we see in our national surveys
that helps to explain support for political violence on the right. Because what
you’re seeing Al, is the more we are in what I call the tipping point generation
for this big demographic shift, the more there are folks on the right, and most
of them Trump supporters, mega supporters, who want to stop and actually reverse
that shift. Then there of course, once knowing that, there are folks on the
left, not everybody on the left, but some on the left that want to keep it going
or actually accelerate it a bit for fear that with the mega crowd you won’t get
it, the shift will stop altogether. These are major issues and things that
really rock politics and then can lead to political violence.
Talk to me a little bit about January 6th, when that happened, I’m sure you were
watching it on TV.
Yeah.
What were you thinking as all of it was kind of coming into play?
Well, so I was not quite as surprised as some folks, Al. So on October 5th in
Chicago, I was on the Talking Head show in Chicago, it’s called Chicago Tonight.
So on October 5th, 2020, that was just after the Trump debate where he said to
the Proud Boys, stand back, but stand by. Well, the Chicago folks brought me on
TV to talk about that, and I said that this was really quite concerning because
this has echoes of things we’ve seen in Bosnia with some other leaders that a
lot of Americans are just not familiar with, but are really quite worrisome. And
I said what this meant was we had to be worried about the counting of the vote,
not just ballot day, the day of voting. And we had to be worried about that all
the way through January 6th, the certification of the election. But you made a
point earlier, Al, about the importance of leaders.
This is part of the reason why it’s hard to predict. It’s not a precise science,
political violence. I like to use the idea, the analogy of a wildfire when I
give talks. When we have wildfires, what we know as scientists is we can measure
the size of the combustible material and we know with global warming, the
combustible dry wood that could be set afire is getting larger. So you know
you’re in wildfire season, but it’s not enough to predict a wildfire because the
wildfire’s touched off by an unpredictable set of triggers, a lightning strike,
a power line that came down unpredictably. Well, that is also a point about
political leaders.
So it was really, I did see some sign of this that Donald Trump said too about
the Proud Boys, stand back and stand by. And no other president had said
anything like that ever before in our history, let’s be clear. And because of my
background studying political violence, I could compare that to some playbooks
from other leaders in other parts of the world. That said, even I wouldn’t have
said, oh yeah, we’re 90% likely to have an event, because who would’ve thought
Donald Trump would’ve given the speech at the Ellipse, not just call people to
it, it will be wild. His speech at the Ellipse, Al, made it wild.
You co-authored a pretty remarkable study that looked at the political geography
of January 6th insurrectionists. Can you break down the findings of that paper?
Yeah. So one of the things we know when we study as a scholar of political
violence, we look at things other people just don’t look at because they just
don’t know what’s important. We want to know, where did those people live,
where’d they come from? And when you have indictments and then you have the
court process in the United States, you get that as a fact. So now it does mean
I had to have big research teams. There’s a hundred thousand pages of court
documents to go through. But nonetheless, you could actually find this out. And
we found out something stunning, Al, and it’s one of the reasons I came back to
that issue of demographic change in America. What we found is that first of all,
over half of those who stormed the capitol, that 1,576 were doctors, lawyers,
accountants, white collar jobs, business owners, flower shop owners, if you’ve
been to Washington DC, Al, they stayed at the Willard. I have never stayed at
the Willard-
Yeah.
So my University of Chicago doesn’t provide that benefit.
That is crazy to me because I think the general knowledge or what you think is
that most of the people that were there were middle class to lower, middle class
to poor. At least that’s what I’ve always thought.
Yeah, it’s really stunning, Al. So we made some snap judgments on that day in
the media that have just stayed with us over and over and over again. So the
first is their economic profile. Whoa, these are people with something to lose.
Then where did they come from? Well, it turned out they came from all 50 states,
but huge numbers from blue states like California and New York. And then we
started to look at, well, where are in the states are they coming from? Half of
them came from counties won by Joe Biden, blue counties. So then we got even
deeper into it. And what’s happening, Al, is they’re coming from the suburbs
around the big cities. They’re coming from the suburbs around Chicago, Elmhurst,
Schomburg. They’re not coming from the rural parts of Illinois. They’re coming…
That’s why we call them suburban rage. They’re coming from the most diversifying
parts of America, the counties that are losing the largest share of white
population.
Back to that issue of population change, these are the people on the front lines
of that demographic shift from America is a white majority democracy, to a white
minority democracy. These are the counties that will impact where the leadership
between Republican and Democrat have either just changed or are about to change.
So they are right on the front lines of this demographic change and they are the
folks with a lot to lose. And they showed up, some took private planes to get
there. This is not the poor part, the white rural rage we’re so used to hearing
about. This is well off suburban rage, and it’s important for us to know this,
Al, because now we know this with definitiveness here. So it’s not like a
hand-wavy guess. And it’s really important because it means you can get much
more serious political violence than we’re used to thinking about.
Yeah. So what happens, let’s say if circumstances remain as they are, IE, the
economy is not doing great, the middle class is getting squeezed and ultimately
getting smaller, right? The affordability thing is a real issue. What wins?
The first big social change that’s feeding into our plight as a country is this
demographic social change. There’s a second one, Al, which is that over the last
30 years, just as we’re having this demographic shift to a white minority
democracy, we have been like a tidal wave flowing wealth to the top 1%. And
we’ve been flowing wealth to the top 1% of both Republicans and Democrats. And
that has been coming out of the bottom 90% of both Republicans and Democrats.
Unfortunately, both can be poorer and worse off.
Whites can be worse off because of this shift of the wealth to the top 1%. And
minorities can be worse off because of the shift. And you might say, well, wait
a minute, maybe the American dream, we have social mobility. Well, sorry to say
that at the same time, we’re shifting all this money to the top 1%, they’re
spending that money to lock up and keep themselves to top 1%. It’s harder to get
into that top 1% than it’s ever been in our society. And so what you see is, I
just came back from Portland. What you see is a situation in Portland, which is
a beautiful place, and wonderful place where ordinary people are constantly
talking about how they’re feeling pinched and they’re working three jobs.
Yeah.
Just to make their middle, even lower middle class mortgages. I mean, this is
what’s happening in America and why people have said, well, why does the
establishment benefit me? Why shouldn’t I turn a blind eye if somebody’s going
to attack the establishment viciously? Because it’s not working for a lot of
folks, Al. And what I’m telling you is that you put these two together, you get
this big demographic change happening, while you’re also getting a wealth shift
like this and putting us in a negative sum society. Whoa, you really now have a
cocktail where you’ve got a lot of people very angry, they’re not sure they want
to have this shift and new people coming into power. And then on top of that,
you have a lot of people that aren’t sure the system is worth saving.
I really wanted to dive in on the polls that you’ve been conducting, and one of
those, there seems to be a small but growing acceptance of political violence
from both Democrats and Republicans. What do you think is driving that?
I think these two social changes are underneath it, Al. So in our polls, just to
put some numbers here, in 2025, we’ve done a survey in May and we did one in the
end of September. So we do them every three or four months. We’ll do one in
January I’m sure. And what we found is that on both sides of the political
spectrum, high support for political violence. 30% in our most recent survey in
September, 30% of Democrats support the use of force to prevent Trump from being
president. 30%. 10% of Democrats think the death of Charlie Kirk is acceptable.
His assassination was acceptable. These represent millions and millions of
adults. That’s a lot of people, you see. What you’re saying is right, we’re
seeing it. And I think what you’re really seeing here is as these two changes
keep going, this era of violent populism is getting worse.
Yeah, I mean, so I’ve seen that Democrats and Republicans are accusing each
other of using violent rhetoric. So in your research, what’s actually more
common in this modern area where we are right now, is it right wing or left wing
on the violent rhetoric, but also who’s actually doing it?
So we’ve had, just after the Kirk assassination, your listeners will probably
remember and they can Google, we had these dueling studies come out almost
instantly, because they’re kind of flash studies and they’re by think tanks in
Washington DC. One basically saying there’s more right-wing violence than left.
And one saying there’s more left-wing violence than right. Well, I just want
your listeners to know that if you go under the hood, so my job is to be like
the surgeon and really look at the data. You’re going to be stunned, maybe not
so stunned, Al, because you live in the media, to learn the headlines and what’s
actually in the content are very different.
Both studies essentially have the same, similar findings, although slightly
different numbers, which is they’re both going up. They’re both going up. So
it’s really not the world that it was either always been one side or now it’s
newly the other. So the Trump administration’s rhetoric, JD Vance is wrong to
say it’s all coming from the left, but it’s also wrong to say it’s all coming
from the right. Now, what I think you’re also seeing, Al, is that the
politicians, if left to their own devices, rarely, I’m sorry to say do the right
thing, they cater to their own constituents. But there’s some exceptions and
they’ve been helpful, I think. There’s two exceptions I want to draw attention
to, one who’s a Republican and one who’s a Democrat.
On the Democratic side, the person who’s been just spectacular at trying to
lower the temperature is Governor Shapiro. He’s a Democrat, the Governor of
Pennsylvania. Josh Shapiro has given numerous interviews public, where he has
condemned violence on all sides. He’s recognizing, as very few others are, that
it’s a problem on both sides. He personally was almost burned to death, only
minutes from being burned to death with his family here back in April. So he
knows this personally about what’s at stake and he has done a great job, I think
in recognizing that here.
Now on the Republican side, we have Erika Kirk and what Erika Kirk, of course
the wife of Charlie Kirk who was assassinated did, was at Kirk’s funeral, she
forgave the shooter. But let’s just be clear, she’s a very powerful voice here.
Now, I think we need more of those kind of voices, Al, because you see, they
really are figures people pay attention to. They’re listening to people like
that. They have personal skin in the game and they can speak with sort of a lens
on this few others can. But we need more people to follow in that wake and I
wish we had that, and that can actually help as we go forward. And I’m hoping
they, both of those people will do more and more events, and others who have
been the targets of political violence will come out and do exactly the same
thing.
I want to go back a little bit to January 6th and just talk about those
insurrectionists. So when President Trump pardoned them, what was going through
your mind?
That it was probably going to be the worst thing that happened in the second
Trump presidency. And I know I’m saying quite a bit. I know that he’s insulted
every community under the sun many, many, many times. But the reason I’m so
concerned about this, Al, is that there are many ways we could lose our
democracy, but the most worrisome way is through political violence. You see,
because the political violence is what would make the democratic backsliding
you’re so used to hearing about, irreversible. And then how might that actually
happen? You get people willing to fight for Trump.
And already on January 6th, we collected all the public statements on their
social media videos, et cetera, et cetera, in their trials about why those
people did it. And the biggest reason they did it was Trump told them so, and
they say this over and over and over again, I did it because Trump told me to do
it. Well, now Trump has not forgiven them, he’s actually helping them. They may
be suing the government to get millions of dollars in ‘restitution’. So this is
going in a very bad way if you look at this in terms of thinking you’re going to
deter people from fighting for Trump. And now of course others are going to know
that as well on the other side. So again, this is a very dangerous move. Once he
pardoned it, no president in history has ever pardoned people who use violence
for him.
Yeah. So you have the insurrectionist bucket. But there’s another bucket that
I’ve been thinking about a lot and I haven’t heard a lot of people talk about
this, and that is that under President Trump, ICE has expanded exponentially.
Yep.
The amount of money that they get in the budget is-
Enormous.
Enormous. I’ve never seen an agency ramp up, A, within a term, like so much
money and so many people-
It is about to become its own army.
Right.
And Al, what this means concretely is, we really don’t want any ICE agents in
liberal cities in October, November, December. We don’t want to be in this world
of predicting, well, Trump would never do X, he would never do Y. No, we’ve got
real history now to know these are not good ways to think. What we just need to
do is we need to recognize that when we have national elections that are
actually going to determine the future of who governs our country, you want
nothing like those agents who, many of them going to be very loyal to Trump, on
the ground.
We should already be saying, look, we want this to stop on October 1st to
December 31st, 2026, and we want to have a clean separation, so there’s no issue
here of intimidation. And why would you say that? It’s because even President
Trump, do you really want to go down in history as having intimidated your way
to victory? So I think we really need to talk about this as a country, Al. And
we really want a clean break here in the three months that will be the election,
the run-up to the election, the voting, and then the counting of the vote.
In closing, one of the major themes of this conversation has been that America
is changing into a white minority. The question that just keeps coming to mind
to me is, as somebody who studies this, do you think that America can survive
that transition?
Well, I am going to argue, and I’m still a little nervous about it, but we are
in for a medium, soft landing.
Okay.
One of the things we see is that every survey we’ve done, 70% to 80% of
Americans abhor political violence. And that’s on both sides of the aisle. And I
think in many ways there are saving grace and it’s why, Al, when we have public
conversations about political violence, what we see in our surveys is that helps
to take the temperature down. Because you might worry that, oh, we’ll talk about
it, we’ll stir people up and they’ll go… It seems to be the other way around,
Al, as best we can tell. That there’s 70% to 80% of the population that really,
really doesn’t want to go down this road. They know intuitively this is just a
bad idea. This is not going to be good for the country, for their goals. And so
they are the anchor of optimism that I think is going to carry us to that medium
soft landing here.
I think we could help that more if we have some more politicians joining that
anchor of optimism. They’re essentially giving voice to the 70%, 80%. And if you
look at our no Kings protests, the number of people that have shown up and how
peaceful they have been, how peaceful they have been, those are the 70% to 80%,
Al. And I think that gives me a lot of hope for the future that we can navigate
this peacefully. But again, I’m saying it’s a medium soft landing, doesn’t mean
we’re getting off the hook without some more… I’m sorry to say, likely violence,
yeah.
Listen, I’ll take a medium. I would prefer not at all, but the way things are
going, I’ll take the medium. Thank you very much. Bob, Professor Robert Pape, it
has been such a delight talking to you. Thank you so much for taking the time
out.
Well, thank you Al, and thanks for such a thoughtful, great conversation about
this. It’s just been wonderful. So thank you very much.
Tag - Race and Ethnicity
On a dark November evening, I find myself outside one of the units at a
garden-style apartment complex in Memphis, its parking lot alight in flashing
blues and reds. The police are here—about a dozen cars—responding to reports of
a violent crime. I’m accompanied by Mauricio Calvo, a 50-year-old local whose
friend Diego lives here. Calvo knocks. “Soy yo,” he whispers at the door—“It’s
me.”
“I told him not to open the door under any circumstance,” he informs me.
The door cracks open and Calvo nudges me through. I’m disoriented. It’s
pitch-black inside, curtains drawn, lights off. Diego stands in the entryway,
but I only see the outline of his body, not his face. Buenas noches, he
whispers, and guides us to the living room. A little boy comes up beside me. “I
wanna play!” he says in English, gesturing toward the TV and Xbox. Nobody turns
it on.
This family has nothing to do with the situation outside, but still they are
hiding. Diego, not his real name, explains that when the police pulled into the
lot earlier that night, he instinctively hit the floor as though dodging
bullets. “We were afraid, because what we are feeling these days is immigration
is everywhere,” he tells me in Spanish, voice shaking.
He and his wife—a Dreamer whose parents brought her to the United States as a
child—and three of their four kids, all US citizens, stayed that way about 10
minutes, flat on the ground in the dark. Then they called Calvo, who leads
Latino Memphis, an organization that helps immigrants. “I got very scared they
could start knocking on doors looking for the suspect and scared they would take
him,” Diego’s wife says, nodding at her undocumented husband.
She knew that where police go in Memphis, lately at least, there will be
immigration officers, too. On September 29, the Trump administration launched
the Memphis Safe Task Force, deploying, according to the Washington Post, some
1,700 federal officers from a mix of agencies, ostensibly to help the Tennessee
Highway Patrol, the Memphis Police Department (MPD), and the Shelby County
Sheriff’s Office crack down on crime. It’s one of many such task forces the
administration has launched, or plans to launch, nationally.
The MPD has reported success—large declines in serious crimes reported since the
feds arrived. The feds are getting something out of the arrangement, too; local
cops are chauffeuring Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) officers around
town, leaving many immigrant families afraid to leave their homes. Some refer to
the task force as “the occupation” and say the feds are using the crime issue as
a Trojan horse. “I feel nervous—I have to protect them and myself,” Diego’s
12-year-old daughter tells me as she sits beside her parents in the dark.
“I’ve lived here for a long time,” Diego adds, “and I’ve never seen so many
police cars.”
Neither have I. Though I’m new to Memphis, I’ve been reporting on the criminal
justice system for more than a decade and have spent time in cities with a lot
of law enforcement. I’ve also lived in an authoritarian country overseas, yet
I’ve never experienced a police presence like this. Some Memphians critical of
the surge liken the city to a war zone, with helicopters circling over
neighborhoods, National Guard officers patrolling downtown, and unmarked law
enforcement vehicles in the streets. Immigrant citizens carry their US
passports, lest they be detained. One volunteer I spoke with compared the vibe
to 1930s Germany.
Tennessee Gov. Bill Lee, a Republican, has welcomed the task force, and Memphis
Mayor Paul Young, a Democrat, has cooperated, crediting the effort for reducing
911 calls about gun violence. But Shelby County Mayor Lee Harris, another
Democrat, compares occupied Memphis to a failed state. “Our risk is that
[America is] gonna become a Yemen or a North Korea, or something else
altogether, where there is an armed individual with a semi-automatic weapon and
military fatigues on many corners,” he told me. “There may be zero crime, but we
also won’t be leaving our houses. I know that’s a dark scenario, but that’s kind
of where we are.”
My hours spent in the dark with Diego’s family—and talking with local activists,
teachers, businesspeople, and residents—revealed how the militarized federal
onslaught is reshaping daily life in blue cities like Memphis, keeping kids out
of school and parents from work, and turning grocery shopping into a mission
that risks one’s family being torn apart. When I finally left Diego’s complex
that night, a police cruiser whipped past, lights and siren blaring, followed by
another, and another—more than 20 in all—racing off to terrorize another
neighborhood.
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I had arrived in town three days earlier, hoping to document a local surge of
federal law enforcement that hadn’t received nearly as much attention as those
in cities like Chicago, Portland, and Los Angeles. That’s partly because the
residents of Memphis—a blue city in a deeply red state—have not responded with
the same headline-grabbing protests. There are no inflatable frogs, no
sandwich-hurling federal employees, no throngs of demonstrators trying to block
ICE vehicles. The thinking, Calvo speculates, is that “less resistance will make
these people less interested in being here, and they will just move on. It’s
like, why poke the bear?”
But that doesn’t mean there’s no resistance, or that locals appreciate the
expansive police presence. I meet up with Maria Oceja, 33, who recently quit her
job at a court clerk’s office. She’s offered to drive me around to show me how
pervasive the task force presence has become. It doesn’t take long. Shortly
after we set out, we see two highway patrol vehicles on the side of the road.
Then a police car, then another. “Look, we got an undercover over there,” she
tells me, gesturing toward an unmarked car that’s pulled someone over.
Oceja, who sports a pink nose ring and has a rosary hanging from her rearview,
co-leads Vecindarios 901, a neighborhood watch with a hotline to report ICE
sightings. She’s exhausted: They’ve been averaging about 150 calls a day since
the task force took shape in late September. The group has documented home
raids, too, but traffic stops are the most common way ICE rounds people up. The
highway patrol will pull over Black and Hispanic drivers for minor violations
like expired tags or a broken taillight, or seemingly no violation at all: “‘You
got over too slow. You’re going one or two miles over [the speed limit].’ Just
anything!” says Tikeila Rucker of Free the 901, a local protest campaign. Then
immigration officers, either riding shotgun or following behind in their own
vehicles—or, occasionally, vehicles borrowed from the Tennessee Wildlife
Resources Agency—swoop in.
In one stop I witnessed, three Black friends were pulled over for their car’s
tinted windows; one of them, from the Bahamas, was sent to ICE detention. The
car’s owner, Keven Gilles, was visiting from Florida. He told me that he’d been
pulled over five times in a week and a half in Memphis, and “every time, there’s
at least five more cars that come, whether that be federal agents, more
troopers, or regular city [police] cars.”
Memphis is the nation’s largest majority-Black city, with more than 600,000
people in all. Ten percent are Latino and 7 percent are immigrants. The biggest
contingent hails from Mexico—according to the Memphis Restaurant Association,
the city has more Mexican restaurants than barbecue joints—but there are also
well-established communities from China, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras,
India, Vietnam, and Yemen, and more recently Nicaragua, Ukraine, and Venezuela.
Oceja, whose parents immigrated from Mexico, says the city’s undocumented
population is relatively young—lots of families with school-age children. She
takes me to Jackson Elementary, which she attended as a child, to ask employees
about how the policing surge has affected this immigrant-heavy neighborhood.
“I’ve been here 22 years, and I’ve never seen it this bad,” PE teacher Cassandra
Rivers tells me.
Because people are afraid of being detained while dropping off their kids, the
Memphis-Shelby County School Board has agreed to create more bus routes.
Meanwhile, daily attendance is down at least 10 percent at Jackson, Rivers says.
Some students are so anxious that she has started calling their homes in the
afternoon just to assure them that their parents are safe and sound.
Earlier, on Jackson Avenue, we’d passed a parking lot with a few men standing
around. “This is where the day laborers come and ask for work,” Oceja told me.
There are fewer lately, now that officers are pulling over contractors’ trucks
and arresting workers at construction sites. “Prior to the occupation,” she
explains after we leave the school and turn onto Getwell Road, “you could see
immigrant vendors every morning on this street selling food.”
We drive by shuttered fruit stands and yet another police car, then stop at a
gas station, where I meet Jose Reynoso, a Guatemalan man selling tamales and
arroz con leche out of a pickup truck. He says he doesn’t know how long his
business will survive—customers are afraid to come out. At Supermercado
Guatemala 502 on Summer Avenue, manager Rigoberto Cipriano Lorenzo gestures at
empty aisles and recalls how packed his store used to be. Alex Lopez, a barber
down the block, says many clients ask him to cut their hair at home now.
Religious leaders are worried, too. A local imam told me members of his
congregation are asking whether they must pray at the mosque, or can they do so
from home?
The county courthouse is overwhelmed. In its first six weeks, the task force
conducted nearly 30,000 traffic stops, issued 25,000 citations, and made more
than 2,500 arrests—creating a six-month backlog in traffic court, one attorney
told me. That’s not including stops made by federal agents operating solo. An
FBI agent speaking to a local rotary club noted that as long as the task force
is operating, just about everyone in Memphis can expect to be pulled over at
some point. (The latest, just-released figures show more than 4,000 arrests and
nearly 200 people charged by the feds.)
Jail overcrowding had resulted in detainees sleeping on mats on the floors, so
the county declared a state of emergency and moved some of them to another
location. “I don’t know how many times I have to say it, but the jail is at a
horrific state right now,” Sheriff Floyd Bonner told ABC24 reporters during my
visit. “We hear stories,” County Mayor Harris told me, of “individuals that are
standing for 24 hours straight because there’s no room, or place for them to sit
down. I don’t have the words for what’s happening over there.”
Task force personnel near the intersection of Jackson Avenue and North Hollywood
Street in Memphis, November 18, 2025.Andrea Morales/MLK50
In his darkened living room, blocked off from the glow of police cruisers
outside, Diego speaks in hushed tones as he shares his story. I sit on a sofa
beside his 6- and 16-year-old sons. He sits on another sofa, flanked by his wife
and their 12-year-old daughter.
Diego grew up in a small town in Chiapas, Mexico, where he worked as a farmer.
He moved to the United States in 2004, at age 20, for more money and “a better
future.” His sister’s husband lived in Memphis, so he settled there too, finding
a landscaping job. It paid much better than he was used to, though the weather
could be brutal, “very cold,” and he missed the food from back home. In 2006, he
met his future wife, also from Mexico, who was selling tamales outside a
convenience store. Their first son was born in 2007.
Three years ago, they moved into this housing complex, eager for independence
from their in-laws, with whom they’d been living. Today Diego works as a cook
and janitor at a school where his wife is an assistant teacher.
The Memphis Safe Task Force has affected the family’s routines in too many ways
to count. Diego has a heart condition and needs to see a doctor every three
weeks for monitoring—he was hospitalized not long ago. But he’s afraid to go to
his next appointment, drive his kids to school, or commute to work. He’s heard
about people getting pulled over for nothing. Immigrants are getting picked up
despite having work permits or pending green cards—even people a decade into the
legal residency process with just one hearing to go. Diego would have little
chance to avoid deportation if he were pulled over. “I get very nervous, like
shaky and sweating,” he says of his drives.
His daughter, whom I’ll call Liliana, listens quietly as her father talks,
gripping a blanket to her chest. Even though she’s a citizen, she has had to be
vigilant about law enforcement, she says: “If I do a wrong movement, that would
bring them here.”
It’s very tiring. At school recently, a teacher asked her to complete a project
that involved sharing personal information like her age and why her parents came
to Memphis. “I got worried. Why are they asking those types of questions? I feel
like it was a trap and they are trying to take information to them”—ICE—she
tells me. Liliana is an intelligent, curious kid. She wants to be a nurse
someday, Diego told me, which requires doing well in school. But she decided not
to turn in her project, just to be safe: “I feel kind of overprotective,” she
explains.
As Liliana talks, I try to remember she’s only in sixth grade. I ask her what
she likes to do for fun. “Exploring,” she says, and shopping at the mall, but
lately she spends most of her time at home. It’s not always pleasant; there’s a
clogged sewer line, so the toilet keeps overflowing and flooding the bedrooms,
and the property manager hasn’t fixed it. She watches TV trying to fend off
cabin fever, and dreams of going on outings with her whole family, maybe to the
park, grilling some food. “Most of the time I can’t go out,” she says, “because
I’ll be scared.”
A Customs and Border Patrol helicopter circles a community protest against an
xAI data center development.Andrea Morales/MLK50
The Trump administration has used crime as a pretext to conduct its immigration
operations, even in cities where crime is lower than it’s been in decades. In
Memphis, it was at a 25-year low before the task force began.
But most locals I spoke with said it’s still a problem: In 2024, Memphis had one
of the nation’s highest rates of violent crime, higher than similarly sized
cities such as Detroit or Baltimore. In six weeks, the Memphis Safe Task Force
said it seized 400 illegal guns, and that, compared with the same period in
2024, robberies had dropped 70 percent, and murders were down from 21 to 12.
The cops I encounter around town seem eager to emphasize the public safety
aspect of their work, and markedly less eager to discuss immigration
enforcement. At a gas station where I stop to refuel, I approach Sheriff’s Sgt.
Jim Raddatz, a 32-year veteran who, along with federal task force officers, has
just finished arresting someone—a criminal case, he says.
Sitting in his cruiser, Raddatz tells me he appreciates the expanded police
presence, as the sheriff’s office has lost some 300 patrol deputies in recent
years. MPD has about 2,000 officers, and 300 highway patrol officers were
diverted to the task force. Given the roughly 1,700 officers from more than a
dozen federal agencies participating, the total for Memphis proper—even without
sheriff’s deputies, who also police Shelby County—would be about 6.5 cops per
1,000 residents, a ratio more than triple the average for cities of this size.
When I mention that I’ve heard the task force has made more than 300 noncriminal
immigration arrests, he gets a tad defensive. “That might come from ICE. That’s
not from us,” Raddatz says. He has neighbors who are immigrants, he explains,
and wouldn’t want the sheriff’s office to target them: “All this ‘targeting,
targeting, targeting’—we get sick of hearing about it, because we’re not,” he
adds. “I understand they’re upset”—people see stuff on TikTok and other social
media about immigration enforcement, and they get scared, “but it ain’t coming
from us.”
The sheriff’s office and the MPD, unlike the highway patrol, cannot conduct
immigration arrests independently; for that they would need a special type of
287(g) agreement, the arrangements that govern local law enforcement cooperation
with ICE. (The sheriff’s office can hold immigrants inside the jail under
another type of 287(g) agreement.) But even if they can’t arrest immigrants, the
local agencies are assisting with Trump’s deportation agenda by allowing federal
agents to tag along on crime-related work—during traffic stops, the feds can
legally ask for proof of citizenship, which inevitably leads to noncriminal
immigration arrests.
The federal officers I encountered while driving around town were similarly
tight-lipped on immigration, and much chattier when talking about crime. At one
point, I sat in my car watching some of them search for a sex offender at the
end of a quiet cul-de-sac. One of the officers—who drove an unmarked
vehicle—approached me. Don’t worry, he said, we’re just here “getting the bad
guys.”
They didn’t find their culprit, but their presence had ripple effects. After
they left, I met an 18-year-old Hispanic man who lived next door to the house
where the alleged sex offender was believed to be staying. He told me his
immigrant mom was still inside—terrified—after the officers, looking for the
perpetrator, had pounded on her door. She didn’t open it, and thankfully they
left her alone.
A traffic stop at Jackson Avenue and North Hollywood Street, November 18,
2025:.Andrea Morales/MLK50
In another neighborhood, I meet an 11-year-old named Justin. He’s standing
outside his house, his dog and a soccer ball in the front yard. His mom is
inside. It’s time for school. He carries a black camo backpack with a little tag
on it; whoever picks him up at the end of the day will need a matching tag, and
it won’t be his mom.
Task force officers had come by the house a couple of weeks earlier with a
warrant for a criminal suspect. That person no longer lived there, so instead
they took Justin’s dad, an immigrant from Mexico who was undocumented. “A lot”
changed after that, Justin tells me. As we talk, he squeezes some green slime
that seems to function more as a stress ball than a toy. His mom, from Honduras,
is afraid to emerge, even to shop for groceries. “She always stays at home,” he
says quietly. “Before, she would usually go to the store.”
With many immigrants in this mother’s situation, local volunteers have started
delivering food. On a single day in October, 120 families reached out to the
Immigrant Pantry, a project of Indivisible Memphis that normally serves about 50
families a week. Some other food pantries, especially those that accept
government funding, require ID. This one doesn’t. “It blew up a few weeks ago,”
says volunteer Sandy Edwards, whose T-shirt reads “Have Mercy.” “It’s about as
sad as you can possibly imagine.”
Edwards and her peers have seen a lot. There was the immigrant mother who
resorted to feeding her baby sugar water—she didn’t have formula. Another was
stuck in a motel room with four kids under 6, all citizens, and nothing to eat.
Vecindarios 901, the neighborhood watch group, told me about a woman who called
in tears because she couldn’t find her boyfriend; he’d been detained by ICE,
leaving her in charge of his 3-year-old daughter. In another case, an
undocumented mother begged agents outside a gas station to take her instead of
her partner, who had a work permit, but they went for him anyway and left her
with the baby and no means of support.
The pantry volunteers drop off onetime emergency food and supplies to these
desperate caregivers: canned goods, tortillas, diapers, plus $50 per family
worth of fresh produce and meat. They organize the deliveries on Signal, an
encrypted messaging app, and vet potential drivers online; the goal is to ensure
they’re not in cahoots with the feds, who could use the delivery addresses to
arrest people. “This is a vulnerable population,” notes Jessica Wainfor, another
volunteer. “We cannot make mistakes.”
A day before I visited, news broke that DHS was considering hiring private
contractors to ferret out undocumented immigrants’ home and work addresses,
bounty-hunter style—with bonuses for accuracy, volume, and timeliness. The
volunteers asked me not to disclose their pantry location and said they were
taking other precautions, like varying the stores where they shop and watching
for unmarked vehicles that might be tailing them.
It’s not only low-income immigrants who are afraid. At a Palestinian-owned café,
I met Amal Arafat, a naturalized citizen from Somalia who moved to the United
States at age 4. Now she lives in Germantown, an affluent suburb, and carries
her US passport with her in case she’s pulled over for having dark skin and
wearing a hijab. When I ask how this makes her feel, she starts to cry. “It’s a
scary time, because there are people with citizenship being snatched away,” she
says. She wonders whether the task force will really reduce violence—or just
people reporting it. If she were a crime victim, I ask Arafat, would she call
911 now? “It does blur the lines of who is here to protect me, and who is here
to terrorize and target me,” she replies.
It’s a fair question. Back in October, Mayor Harris had told me that Latina
survivors of domestic violence were not reaching out to a Shelby County program
that helps them file for protective orders against their alleged assailants. “We
know domestic violence hasn’t gone away, and we know Latina victims haven’t gone
away,” he says. “What has gone away is their willingness to go to a public
building and ask for help.” A Memphis pastor told me a story I have not
corroborated about a local Guatemalan man who was beaten and stabbed but didn’t
call 911 because he was afraid of being deported. Instead, he went home to heal,
developed an infection, and died. It never made the papers.
Harris, like many task-force critics, suspects violent crime is down primarily
because all the police activity has made people reluctant to get out and about,
for fear of getting stopped and harassed. What happens when the feds pack up and
the task force dissolves?
“I don’t think this is a long-term solution, and it’s making things really bad,”
Calvo, Diego’s friend, told me. “You can pick your lane: This is really bad for
the economy. Or this is really bad for our democracy. Or this is really bad for
people’s wellbeing.”
We need “fully funded schools. Money for violence intervention programs. Money
for the unhoused community. A better transportation system,” adds local activist
Rucker. “There are a lot of things we need—not more bodies that are gonna
inflict more harm, pain, and trauma on an already traumatized community.”
“This is not making us safer,” concurs Karin Rubnitz, who volunteers with
Vecindarios 901 and shuttles Justin, the 11-year-old with the tag on his
backpack, to school. “They are destabilizing the immigrant community.”
Memphis may be a harbinger. On my last day in town, the Trump administration
announced a similar task force in Nashville, where the highway patrol teamed up
with ICE in May to arrest nearly 200 immigrants in a week. Other task forces
were dispatched around the same time in Indianapolis, Dallas, and Little Rock,
Arkansas—all purportedly focused on crime but co-led by DHS. More than 1,000
local law enforcement agencies nationwide are collaborating with ICE through
287(g) agreements. And the feds have launched their own immigration enforcement
operations in cities from Chicago to Minneapolis.
Tennessee Gov. Lee has said the task force in Memphis will continue
indefinitely, despite the cost of bringing in hundreds of federal cops, housing
them in hotels, and hiring extra judges to tackle the strain on local courts.
(“We’re going to be millions of dollars in the red because of this,” Mayor
Harris told the Washington Post.) Weeks into the occupation, so many immigrants
are trying to self-deport that Calvo’s Latino Memphis now invites Mexican
consulate officials to its office once a month to help process passports. “For
the first time in the 17 years that I have worked here, we’re getting calls of
people saying, How do I leave? And that is just devastating,” he says.
Arafat’s husband, Anwar, an imam, told me his family is considering a move to a
different part of the United States. “The people that are supposedly eliminating
crime are making the city unlivable,” he says.
“I really don’t want to leave,” their son Aiman, a high school freshman, told
me. “I have a life here, a really good life.”
Andrea Morales/MLK50
Back in the dark living room, Diego has a question for me.
When will this all be over?
Almost everyone I meet in Memphis asks the same thing. I have no answer, of
course. If the task force carries on much longer, Diego says, he may have to
return to Mexico and take his family with him. I ask Liliana how she feels about
that. “Kind of sad and kind of happy,” the girl says. “I kind of want to be
somewhere I feel safer. I can explore more, go more places.”
It took a while, but my eyes have finally adjusted to the dark. Diego, clad in a
T-shirt, is sitting beneath a joyous wedding portrait in which he sports a pink
tuxedo and holds his wife’s hand. Now his hands are rubbing his head; he’s tense
and exhausted. “I feel like my kids live here better than they would in Mexico,
so I would like for them to stay, but if things continue to deteriorate, I don’t
know what we will do,” he says.
“I am more scared in the last month than in the last 20 years,” he adds. When
the cops came, “I thought they were gonna kick down the door and take me away.”
Diego suddenly realizes how long we’ve been talking. The police are still
outside, but he figures maybe by now it’s safe to turn on a flashlight and make
dinner for his family. He bids me a polite farewell, guides me out of the
apartment, and closes the front door, upon which every knock brings a sense of
dread.
Phillip Abram, a Jewish Bondi resident, places flowers at a growing memorial
near Bondi Beach following the Bondi Hanukkah terror attack.James West/Mother
Jones
On Tuesday, California voters passed Proposition 50, Gov. Gavin Newsom’s
congressional redistricting proposal in response to Texas Republicans’
gerrymandered map, by a sweeping 28-point margin.
As I reported in October, high-profile Democratic politicians—including former
President Barack Obama—were front and center in an advertising blitz to pass the
measure, which would tilt five seats in the House of Representatives towards
Democrats.
But on the ground in California, often with less media coverage, were legions of
campaigners with civil rights and racial justice organizations, many of which
tirelessly championed Prop 50 in the final weeks before the election—and are now
celebrating its passage as a small step in the long fight for Black political
representation.
> “We understood that it was critical to counter what Donald Trump was trying to
> do in Texas.”
“There has been a long and steady march to kind of erode our voting rights,”
said Phaedra Jackson, NAACP’s vice president of unit advocacy and effectiveness,
reflecting on the conservative Supreme Court’s continuing attacks on the Voting
Rights Act of 1965. In 2013, the Court eliminated the formula for preclearance,
the mechanism by which the VRA prevented certain states and localities from
passing discriminatory election laws; six years later, another ruling enabled
partisan gerrymandering on a hugely expanded scale.
In the years since, the turnout gap between white voters and voters of color has
grown—and it’s done so nearly twice as fast in counties that were previously
subject to preclearance, according to the progressive nonprofit Brennan Center
for Justice.
“A lot of folks have framed this as a partisan issue,” Jackson said. “We see it
[as] an attack on the ability for Black folks and folks of color to actually
have representation.”
“You see what’s happened in Missouri, in Texas,” she added, pointing to states
where minority representatives, such as Missouri Rep. Emanuel Cleaver and Texas
Reps. Marc Veasey, Jasmine Crockett, and Joaquin Castro, all Democrats, were
drawn out of their districts, and where the voting power of Black and Latino
communities is being diluted. While local chapters of the organization continue
to challenge the constitutionality of those maps in court, its goal in
California “is to be a counterbalance.”
That’s what led the NAACP, in the weeks leading up to the election, to become
one of the measure’s biggest direct supporters, including by door-knocking and
deploying hundreds of poll monitors across the state.
The California Black Power Network, a coalition of 46 grassroots organizations
across 15 counties, entered the fray later in the cycle.
“We understood that it was critical to counter what Donald Trump was trying to
do in Texas,” said Kevin Cosney, the coalition’s chief program officer. But the
group waited until it could review the proposed new map—and judge its impact on
Black voter representation—before entering the campaign.
Although Proposition 50 would mean 48 of California’s 52 House seats would now
likely go to Democrats, the geographic and racial representation of its map is
similar to the previous one drawn by the state’s independent redistricting
committee, according to the Public Policy Institute of California.
When it was convinced that Black voter representation and seats historically
held by Black representatives were secure, the coalition’s members reached a
consensus to support the measure through phone banking, canvassing, community
events and ads.
For Newsom, and many of the measure’s backers in Sacramento, Prop 50’s massive
success means it’s time to chalk a win. For racial justice campaigners like
Jackson, it’s just “triaging a hemorrhaging situation”—even now, the Supreme
Court is considering a Louisiana case that’s likely to further erode voting
rights—that needs “long-term systemic fixes” like the decade-old John Lewis
Voting Rights Advancement Act, which was reintroduced in Congress this summer.
Cosney echoed the need for systemic change. While Prop 50 “sets the stage for
what is potentially possible,” he said, “we still have to organize and do the
work … to make sure that those districts that have been built out are filled by
folks who have our best interest in mind.”
“This was the kind of first opportunity that Californians really had to swing
back,” said Cosney. “But it’s not the last.”
After weeks of delays, protests, and threats of arrests, the Republican-led
Texas House on Wednesday passed a highly contentious redistricting plan that
could give the GOP five additional seats in the US House.
“This is racial gerrymandering at its worst. It is something that Jim Crow would
be proud of, but it is something that John Lewis would be ashamed of,” Rep. Al
Green told Mother Jones during the House proceedings, “That Dr. King would be
ashamed of that. The former president of the United States, Lyndon Baines
Johnson, who was from the state of Texas, would be ashamed of it.”
As my colleague Ari Berman wrote, the Trump-backed plan amounts to an effort to
“rig the midterm elections before a single vote has been cast.” More than 50
Texas Democrats fled the state for nearly two weeks to delay the vote’s
proceedings, prompting Gov. Greg Abbott to threaten Democrats with arrest. But
Texas Democrats had no other choice but to leave the state to prevent Trump’s
Texas takeover. Here’s what former Attorney General Eric Holder told Ari:
> “In this moment of democracy survival, people need to be prepared to do
> anything in order to ensure that our constitutional system of government
> continues to exist,” former Obama Attorney General Eric Holder told me on
> Monday. “The authoritarian move that was dictated to Texas by the White House
> needs to be opposed by any means necessary.”
The Democratic protest eventually came to a close as Democrats returned to
Austin on Monday. But new drama quickly unfolded, with Republicans prohibiting
Democrats from leaving the Capitol building unless they were accompanied by a
police escort. Rep. Nicole Collier refused these terms and was forced to stay on
the House floor for two days.
“Those of you who feel like this is okay, get ready for the fight,” said Rep.
Barbara Gervin-Hawkins during her dissent. “Because the fight ain’t over. It’s
not over until we’ve energized America to save Democracy.”
After weeks spent out-of-state in an effort to deny Texas Republicans a quorum
for an extreme redistricting plan—designed at Donald Trump’s behest to give the
GOP a five-seat advantage in the House of Representatives—the state’s Democrats
are still refusing to back down.
After the Democrats’ departure, Gov. Greg Abbott went as far as signing arrest
warrants for the absent lawmakers—and when several of the Democratic legislators
returned on Monday to Austin, the state capital, they were immediately met with
GOP retaliation. On Monday, Republican House Speaker Dustin Burrows ordered that
the returning lawmakers could only leave the House floor with written permission
and a 24-hour police escort until the House reconvened on Wednesday.
While many of her colleagues agreed to these terms, Democratic state Rep. Nicole
Collier stood her ground. State Reps. Gene Wu and Vince Perez, who reportedly
signed the agreement, joined Collier in her protest. She’s now suing the state
legislature for unlawful imprisonment.
“If you leave the Capitol,” House Administration Committee Chair Charlie Geren
told Collier, according to the lawsuit, “you are subject to arrest.”
On Monday night, state Reps. Collier, Wu, and Perez, who were among the
returning Democrats, slept propped up on leather swivel chairs on the state
House floor.
> This was my night, bonnet and all, in the #txlege. #thisisme
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> — Nicole Collier (@NicoleCollier95) August 19, 2025
If the GOP redistricting plan succeeds, it would not only help the party
maintain its narrow control of the House in the 2026 midterm elections, but
would also guarantee the disenfranchisement of Black voters, of whom Texas has
more than any other state.
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“My constituents sent me to Austin to protect their voices and rights,” Collier
said according to ABC. “I refuse to sign away my dignity as a duly elected
representative just so Republicans can control my movements and monitor me with
police escorts.”
She added, “My community is majority-minority, and they expect me to stand up
for their representation. When I press that button to vote, I know these maps
will harm my constituents—I won’t just go along quietly with their intimidation
or their discrimination.”
> It was very cold spending on the #txlege Floor! Rep. @VinceMPerez & I joined
> @NicoleCollier95 in support of making #GoodTrouble! We know this is a
> #riggedredistricting process. Democrats are not giving up! Thanks for the
> support, standing with @TexasHDC, & we have coffee! pic.twitter.com/wlQTpYINTY
>
> — Gene Wu (@GeneforTexas) August 19, 2025
Several of Collier’s fellow representatives supported her refusal to sign the
agreement, including Rep. Sheryl Cole, who was threatened with arrest by her
police escort after he lost track of her on her morning walk. It appears that
Collier is still trapped inside Texas’s State Capitol, as an ongoing livestream
records her movements on the state House floor.
> Rep. Collier in House Chamber Live https://t.co/NOIIzgRYMK
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> — Nicole Collier (@NicoleCollier95) August 19, 2025
Ryan Coogler’s Sinners will be the first movie on a streaming platform that will
also be available in Black American Sign Language at the time of its digital
release when it hits HBO Max on the Fourth of July.
“By amplifying Black Deaf voices and honoring the culture, identity, and history
at the heart of this powerful film, Max’s ongoing commitment to accessibility
builds off a growing ASL program,” reads a press release from Warner Bros
Discovery, HBO Max’s parent company.
Black American Sign Language is distinct from American Sign Language—and it
developed because Black Deaf students were segregated in their own Black schools
for the Deaf. Around eight percent of Deaf people in the US are Black, but not
all have access to learning BASL due to ASL being more widely taught now.
Franklin Jones, Jr., a lecturer in deaf studies at Boston University, has
compared BASL to African American Vernacular English, describing it as:
> Compared to those who use standard ASL, BASL signers are sometimes seen as
> less animated, Jones says. There are fewer mouth movements (a feature known as
> facial grammar) in BASL, for example. In other ways, though, it’s perhaps more
> expressive. The sign space for BASL users tends to be higher, closer to the
> forehead, and generally wider overall, whereas standard ASL tends to be
> farther down and to rely on tighter, more economical choices. People fluent in
> BASL also tend to use both hands for signs that might require only one in
> standard ASL. Still, BASL is not a monolith. As with any language, there are
> noticeable dialects and regional accents.
The film, set in 1932, follows two Black twin brothers, both played by Michael
B. Jordan, who return to their hometown in Mississippi, when they have to face a
supernatural force. The 1930s were definitely a time period where BASL was more
common among Black Deaf people who had access to sign language education.
Writer Ashley C. Ford remarked on BlueSky that she had once seen director
Coogler sign with another person who he noticed was wearing hearing aids, though
it is unclear whether Coogler speaks BASL, ASL or both.
> When I met Ryan Coogler several years ago, we were standing in a group of
> people chatting, when a woman with visible hearing aids walked up, and he
> casually began to sign the whole conversation so she could participate. She
> mouthed “thank you”. He nodded and just kept doing his thing.
>
> [image or embed]
>
> — Ashley C. Ford (@smashfizzle.bsky.social) June 30, 2025 at 2:38 PM
“The release of SINNERS with BASL is a major step forward in accessibility,
representation, and visibility in streaming,” the press release also noted.
Dr. Emily Hawes-Van Pelt, an OB-GYN working in Minneapolis, didn’t consider
herself an expert on fighting racism in health care. Then in May 2020, George
Floyd was murdered a few blocks from her hospital. “What we knew about the
world, many of us”—she looked out at an audience of doctors, most of them Black
like her—“became very clear to lots of people. I was angry, I was bitter, I was
frustrated, and I thought, What can I do? How can I help? How can I change
anything?”
Hawes-Van Pelt’s answer was the same one that other OB-GYNs have come to in
recent years as their specialty has faced crisis after crisis: She jumped into
advocacy work. She got involved with a coalition of two dozen medical groups
pursuing systemic solutions to long-standing racial disparities in US women’s
health. She joined Minnesota’s Maternal Mortality Review Committee, helping to
analyze cases of people who die in and around childbirth—disproportionately
women of color—for lessons to prevent similar deaths.
Five years on, that burst of energy and determination has turned into immense
strain, as the women’s health system confronts a barrage of Trump 2.0 attacks
against initiatives for patients of color and research more broadly. With the
White House and state governments denying the very idea of systemic racism and
targeting anything that smacks of diversity, equity, and inclusion, structural
change seems further away than ever, and recent gains are at risk of being
stalled or erased.
That daunting new reality hung over the recent annual meeting of the
60,000-member American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists (ACOG), the
leading medical organization in the US focusing on women’s reproductive health.
In a sign of the times, the ACOG committee Hawes Van-Pelt was part of, formerly
called the District DEI Delegation, had a new, less contentious name: the
Collective Action Advancing Respect & Equity Delegation.
At the meeting in May, Hawes-Van Pelt addressed a roomful of colleagues about
health equity challenges. Even with federal funding slashed for research and
large-scale health initiatives, she reminded them, they still have the power to
fight bias in meaningful ways: by listening to patients, by being honest and
respectful, by showing empathy and grace. Unlike research and medical education,
she said, “this doesn’t require funding. This is change that we can make as
individuals in our own practices.”
> The clouds began gathering during the first Trump administration, as Covid
> killed Black and brown people at disproportionate rates, laying bare the
> racism and inequities that permeate American public health.
It was a message heard often at this year’s ACOG conference. In an ordinary
year, the meeting attracts thousands of people who come to brush up on topics
from menstruation to menopause—and, of course, to schmooze. This year in
Minneapolis, many of the conversations were about how providers in one of the
most politicized fields in medicine are weathering an unprecedented series of
storms.
The clouds began gathering during the first Trump administration, as Covid
killed Black and brown people at disproportionate rates, laying bare the racism
and inequities that permeate American public health. Just as the pandemic was
fading, the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, ushering in a wave of state
laws criminalizing abortion providers and making routine care for pregnant
patients infinitely more complicated. States likewise began ramping up attacks
on transgender care, which is often provided by OB-GYNs.
Even before Donald Trump was reelected, conservatives had ACOG in their sights.
Project 2025—the Heritage Foundation’s 900-page blueprint for a second Trump
administration—calls out the organization by name, referring to some of its
members as “pro-abortion ideologues” for their work advising the government on
what forms of birth control ought to be covered by the Affordable Care Act. At
the annual meeting, ACOG’s deputy general counsel, Francisco Negron, pointed to
Trump’s anti-DEI executive order that instructs agencies to investigate federal
contractors as part of their efforts to stamp out “DEI programs and
principles”—and specifically identifies medical associations as potential
targets. “Diversity, equity, and inclusion, which we all thought was about
fairness, the administration perceives as unlawful discrimination,” Negron told
a packed room of physicians during a session titled “Through the Looking Glass.”
The field of obstetrics and gynecology has been grappling for decades with its
roots in misogyny and racism, from experiments on enslaved women conducted by J.
Marion Sims (the so-called “father of modern gynecology”) in the 1840s, to the
forced sterilization of Black women in the mid-1900s, to the huge disparities in
maternal mortality for Black women that persist today. Dr. Sharon Malone, a
prominent OB-GYN and menopause specialist in Washington, DC, devoted much of her
conference keynote speech to the history of medical racism for women, including
her own family’s experiences in Jim Crow Alabama. She’d read a new ACOG report
on how OB-GYNs can address ethnic disparities in their field, and she commended
it, she told hundreds of listeners.
“But,” she added, “how are we going to implement these things in the current
environment where you can’t even say the words ‘disparity,’ ‘inequity,’ ‘women,’
‘race’?”
Health researchers knew Trump’s reelection would not bode well for their work,
especially anything involving abortion or other reproductive care. But few were
prepared for how quickly and ruthlessly the new Trump administration has moved
to demolish much of the federal infrastructure supporting women’s and minority
health.
Among the catastrophic staffing cuts at the Department of Health and Human
Services, Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has gutted the Division of
Reproductive Health, as well as offices devoted to improving minority health at
the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the Food and Drug
Administration, and the Centers for Medicaid & Medicare Services. Critical
public health information, such as recommendations for doctors on how to treat
sexually transmitted infections, was scrubbed from government websites until a
judge ordered it to be partially restored. The dreaded “DEI” label has been
cited to cancel billions in research grants to analyze maternal and infant
mortality in the Mississippi Delta; examine the connection between racism and
subpar cervical cancer treatment; and scrutinize the connection between
psychosocial stress and preeclampsia, a potential deadly form of
pregnancy-related hypertension that is more common and severe among Black women.
Researchers studying such topics were told their funding was being cut because
it “no longer effectuates agency priorities.”
At the ACOG conference, the impact of those and other cuts was evident in the
low-grade anxiety that permeated almost every conversation. In the exhibition
hall, where purveyors of speculums, IUDs, and abortion pills mingled near
recruiters for rural and red-state hospitals, many people I met had lost
research funding. Nearly everyone seemed to be tracking the looming cuts to
Medicaid, which covers 40 percent of births and makes it possible for many
hospitals in rural and low-income communities to stay open. “How are we going to
be able to function?” wondered Kristin Swenson, a certified nurse midwife at the
University of Washington. “The mood is ‘hold on, button up, batten down.’ Our
jobs are going to get harder.”
> “How are we going to be able to function? The mood is ‘hold on, button up,
> batten down.’ Our jobs are going to get harder.”
Several physicians said they were too worried about retaliation by their
employers, or the federal government, to talk to me about how their jobs have
been affected by the new administration. Multiple doctors shared their
frustration at not being permitted to advocate against the Trump cuts. “We need
constituents advocating, because researchers are muzzled,” said a Texas OB-GYN,
adding that his institution was afraid of being targeted like Harvard or
Columbia universities.
Slashing federal anti-hunger programs like food stamps “would be devastating to
my patients,” said a maternal-fetal medicine specialist in Cleveland, who treats
patients with high-risk pregnancies; poorer overall health tends to make
pregnancy more dangerous. She asked to speak anonymously because she has worries
of her own: Her research funding has been put on hold, and her lawyers recently
advised her not to leave the US to visit her home country of Canada. Another
doctor, wearing rainbow glasses, told me that her hospital had learned that
women in the community were choosing to give birth at home because they worried
they could be arrested by immigration agents at the hospital.
Dr. Caroline Cochrane, an OB-GYN affiliated with Wake Forest University in North
Carolina, told me about how, when the Trump cuts started, she was nearly ready
to submit an 80-page proposal to the National Institutes of Health to study
inequities in menopause care. The study would have used focus groups and surveys
to ask Black and Hispanic women—who experience earlier, more severe, and
longer-lasting menopause symptoms—about the challenges they encountered getting
treatment, with the goal of designing a solution.
But when the White House started gutting research funding, Cochrane realized her
proposal contained too many “forbidden words”: “I had a whole section in there
on how Black and Hispanic women have historically been excluded from research,”
she said wryly. Now, she’s trying to figure out whether she can salvage any part
of the proposal. Her job depends on NIH funding a portion of her salary, she
told me. “My whole career up until now is in jeopardy of losing its research
focus.”
Studies involving the LGBTQ community, which experiences its own pernicious
health disparities, are likewise being defunded. Dr. Brent Monseur, a Stanford
University OB-GYN, says he’s lost the NIH grant he needs to keep conducting
research at his one-of-a-kind academic center, which helps queer people create
families using techniques like in vitro fertilization and surrogacy. “LGBTQ
family-building is still a very nascent research field,” Monsieur told me.
“There are still many things we don’t know, even very basic epidemiology, like
who is using these services? How are they paying for these services? What are
their clinical outcomes? What are the best treatment plans for specific
populations?”
With the Trump cuts, “there’s going to be a pause on all of that research
generationally,” Monseur said, forcing him to choose between researching a less
politicized topic or leaving academia to work at a private fertility clinic. Not
that such work doesn’t carry its own risks in the current tumultuous
environment: The weekend of the ACOG conference, a car bomber attacked a
fertility clinic serving LGBTQ families in Palm Springs, California, injuring
four people and killing himself.
An issue of particular concern to many of the people at the ACOG conference was
maternal mortality. Among high-income countries, the United States has by far
the highest rate of maternal deaths, the vast majority of which are considered
preventable. Black women are three times more likely to die from
pregnancy-related causes than white women.
During his first term in 2018, spurred by major journalistic investigations
about maternal mortality and years of ACOG lobbying, Trump signed the Preventing
Maternal Deaths Act, routing funding through the CDC to state maternal mortality
review committees like the one Hawes-Van Pelt joined in Minnesota. Those
committees, dubbed MMRCs, identify and analyze causes of deaths among pregnant
people and new mothers, then enter the information into a CDC-hosted database,
allowing researchers to look for trends and design interventions. (Since 2020,
the list of potential contributing factors to be analyzed has included
discrimination, interpersonal racism, and structural racism.)
At a meeting on maternal mortality prevention at the ACOG conference, doctors
worried aloud about the CDC withdrawing from this work. “Preelection, it was
easier to get in touch with CDC and have them meet with us,” the leader of a
maternal mortality working group reported. Others raised concerns about the
national database—could ACOG take it over if the CDC stopped funding it? “That’s
a really complicated question,” an ACOG official responded. “I am actually
hoping that it doesn’t come down to that, quite frankly.”
MMRCs are in a politically delicate position. As Anna Claire Vollers has
reported at Stateline, Idaho disbanded its committee and Arkansas created a new
one after MMRCs in both states recommended extending Medicaid coverage to new
mothers for a full year after giving birth—a reflection of data showing that
most maternal deaths happen in the postpartum period. In November, Georgia
dismissed all 32 members of its MMRC after ProPublica identified two women who
had died as a result of the state’s six-week abortion ban using confidential
MMRC documents. In Texas, officials appointed a leading anti-abortion activist
to its MMRC and ordered the committee not to review maternal deaths for a
two-year period following implementation of the state’s near-total abortion ban
in 2022.
I reached out to ACOG for background information about the organization’s work
on racial health disparities and received a two-page statement by its new
president, Dr. Steven Fleischman, who practices in New Haven, Connecticut, and
teaches at the Yale School of Medicine. ACOG has been working with the federal
government since the 1980s on efforts to reduce maternal mortality, he said.
Over the last several years, the medical association has created a number of
initiatives designed to reduce racial bias throughout women’s health, from new
clinical guidelines to medical training. Much of that work is now “in jeopardy,”
he acknowledges: “We are concerned that the sweeping policy changes and spending
cuts coming out of the administration will only cause us to backslide on all the
progress made.”
> “We are concerned that the sweeping policy changes and spending cuts coming
> out of the administration will only cause us to backslide on all the progress
> made.”
MMRCs and the national database are among the programs at risk under Trump,
Fleischman said. “Realizing that these vital programs could lose funding or be
eliminated entirely is deeply concerning and will hamper our ability as a
country to track critical maternal health outcomes data and end racial health
disparities.” Also vulnerable is a program, the Alliance for Innovation on
Maternal Health, that provides training and assistance to hospital systems to
improve responses to life-threatening emergencies and prevent maternal deaths.
“HHS contracts have been integral to ACOG advancing this work across the
country, and we are worried that reduced resources would stymie our efforts at
these local levels,” Fleishman said.
Malone, in her keynote speech at the ACOG conference, told the story of her
mother giving birth to eight children starting in the 1930s. The treatment her
mother received in hospital maternity wards in Mobile, Alabama, was so
unpleasant that after the first two babies, she opted to deliver at home. “I
don’t think that she had an experience at either of those places that was really
something that made her feel cared for or seen,” Malone said.
Back then, around 1 in 100 American women died in or around childbirth—a much
higher maternal mortality rate than today (about 19 deaths per 100,000 live
births in 2024). But even as the number of deaths was falling, the disparity in
death rates between Black and white mothers has only widened. Malone urged the
audience to keep fighting for health equity, despite the challenges of the
current political environment. “There are things that we control,” she implored.
“We have to address how we as physicians deal with patients—what are our
implicit biases about why should one person have something and someone else
should not?”
“We do not have an engaged federal partner, so we’re going to have to do it on
our own,” she added. Instead of looking to Washington for help, “we go to
states, we go to legislators, we go to our local health departments,
public-private partnerships, all of that.” The answer, Malone said, “is not to
do nothing. We can’t afford to do nothing.”
President Donald Trump’s second term has swung a wrecking ball at diversity,
equity, and inclusion policies and programs throughout the country. Few writers
seem better suited to explain this unique moment in America than Nikole
Hannah-Jones.
A New York Times journalist and Howard University professor, Hannah-Jones has
spent years studying and shaping compelling—and at times
controversial—narratives about American history. In 2019, she created The 1619
Project, a series of stories and essays that placed the first slave ship that
arrived in Virginia at the center of the US’ origin story. Today, the Trump
administration is pushing against that kind of historical reframing while
dismantling federal policies designed to address structural racism. Hannah-Jones
says she’s been stunned by the speed of Trump’s first few months.
“We haven’t seen the federal government weaponized against civil rights in this
way” since the turn of the century, Hannah-Jones says. “We’ve not lived in this
America before. And we are experiencing something that, if you study history,
it’s not unpredictable, yet it’s still shocking that we’re here.”
On this week’s episode of More To The Story, host Al Letson talks to
Hannah-Jones about the rollback of DEI and civil rights programs across the
country, the ongoing battle to reframe American history, and whether this will
lead to another moment of rebirth for Black Americans.
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One particularly surreal aspect of Donald Trump threatening the tax-exempt
status of Harvard, one of the nation’s oldest and foremost educational
institutions—and excluding it from federal research funding for refusing to heed
the administration’s oversight demands—is the fact that even some of the
nation’s most hateful and antidemocratic entities qualify as tax-exempt
charities. As I explain in my book, Jackpot:
> A 501(c)(3) nonprofit corporation is broadly defined as an organization with
> religious, charitable, scientific, literary, or educational purposes. There
> are charities dedicated to “fostering appreciation” for camellias and
> “promoting the medium of American mime.” (The latter, last I checked, had more
> than $6 million in assets.) In 2017, according to one investigative outlet,
> the National Christian Foundation—one of the largest faith-based donor-
> advised funds—distributed more than $19 million of its donors’ money to
> tax-exempt charities that were anti-LGBTQ, anti-Muslim, and anti-immigrant.
>
> Among the NCF’s leading recipients is Alliance Defending Freedom, a network of
> Christian lawyers that the Southern Poverty Law Center has designated a hate
> group for its antigay activities. The Alliance collects tens of millions in
> tax-exempt donations each year. It has expressed support for foreign laws
> criminalizing sodomy, represented business owners in court who refuse to serve
> LGBTQ customers, opposed transgender troops, and even disputed that the 1998
> murder of Matthew Shepard, a young gay man, in Laramie, Wyoming, was a hate
> crime.
I bring this all up because acting US Attorney Ed Martin, Trump’s ill-fated pick
for permanent US Attorney for the Washington, DC, district, apparently had a
cozy relationship with the white nationalist group VDare. According to a 2024
report from Media Matters, Martin has called himself a “big admirer” of the
nonprofit group. (His nomination appears doomed, albeit for unrelated reasons.)
Media Matters wrote:
> Martin also repeatedly hosted VDare leader and white nationalist Peter
> Brimelow on his now-defunct radio program The Ed Martin Movement. During an
> episode that aired on November 29, 2018, Martin praised Brimelow as “a guy
> worth listening to” and told him, “I’m always glad to give you a voice, you’re
> always welcome here.”
VDare, which suspended its activities last July, was an active tax-exempt
charity during Trump’s first term. In 2018, too, the Trump administration
reinstated the tax-exempt status of white nationalist Richard Spencer‘s National
Policy Institute, which had its status revoked automatically for failing to file
mandatory 990 tax returns for three years running.
It is telling that a president who never questioned the tax-exempt status of
white nationalist groups is now suggesting his IRS might take a hard look at
Harvard’s.
Of course, even that simple suggestion would seem to violate federal law, which
states explicitly (emphasis mine): “It shall be unlawful for any applicable
person”—the president, vice president, any of their staffers, or any cabinet
member—”to request, directly or indirectly, any officer or employee of
the Internal Revenue Service to conduct or terminate an audit or other
investigation of any particular taxpayer with respect to the tax liability of
such taxpayer.” (The law was passed post-Watergate to ensure that no
administration could weaponize the IRS as President Richard Nixon sought to do.)
Even if Harvard has some issues to work out related to alleged antisemitism, US
taxpayers continue to subsidize nonprofits that exist largely to stoke
anti-immigrant and religious hatred. If we are compelled to support these kinds
of groups in the name of “education,” we’d best be compelled to also support
legitimate institutions of higher learning. As I wrote in the book:
> Dylann Roof, the white supremacist who slaughtered those Black parishioners in
> Charleston, wrote that he was motivated by “black on white” crime propaganda
> he discovered on the website of the nonprofit Council of Conservative
> Citizens, one of whose former board members, a self-described “race realist”
> named Jared Taylor, runs the like-minded New Century Foundation, another
> tax-exempt nonprofit. VDare Foundation, a vehemently anti-immigrant journalism
> nonprofit, has collected more than $5 million over the past decade. Its
> website features headlines such as “Milwaukee Shooting: Six Out of Eleven
> Mass Shootings in 86% White Wisconsin Are by Minorities or Immigrants” and
> “NYPD Releases Pic of Suspect in Tessa Majors Killing. Guess What? He’s
> Black.”
Taylor’s New Century Foundation also appears to be inactive these days, and an
entirely unrelated nonprofit exists under the same name. When I reached Taylor
by phone circa 2020, he told me he disagreed with Roof’s motive of starting a
race war (“that’s immoral”), but said “his grievances were understandable.”
Taylor also disputed the Southern Poverty Law Center’s characterization of the
Council of Conservative Citizens and New Century as white nationalists, saying,
“I call myself a ‘race realist’ and a “white advocate.’ ”
Alas, our current, Orwellian, administration—with its nasty scapegoating of
immigrants and clumsy attempts to erase the historical contributions of women,
LGBTQ people, and nonwhites from the public commons under the guise of
eliminating “DEI”—has proved itself a “white advocate” at the expense of just
about everyone else.