FASCISM AND HATE FOR WOMEN ARE BEING PUSHED BY A GROWING INDUSTRY OF ORGANISED
FRAUDSTERS
~ Anon ~
Last month Owen Lawrence went to Otley Road in Leeds with arms full of weapons
and, according to his Facebook (FB) profile, the explicit intention of engaging
in a “killing spree”. Having lived in Leeds for the best part of two decades it
was big news amongst my social circles, so I checked out his multiple FB
accounts to find out who he was. A lot of his posts fitted a certain stereotype,
complaints that he’s struggling to meet women, a photo of him doing a Nazi
salute, many many posts about mass shooters, and so on.
Your classic shooter profile. Almost a cliché.
However his profiles also had over 1,800 FB friends, almost all of whom appeared
to be young, conventionally attractive women. This might seem unusual for a guy
who was struggling socially and romantically but it’s the kind of friends lists
I’ve seen quite a lot recently, belonging to men who can’t seem to meet anyone
in person.
A small part of Owen Lawrence’s very long friends list, and some posts outlining
his motives for his attack in his own words. He specified a hatred of “female
psychopaths, female sociopaths, female narcissists”.
There are a lot of social, economic, and political factors contributing to the
rise of misogyny, many of which have been covered by other people, but one thing
that seems to be likely to be contributing to incel culture specifically is the
sheer number of scammers targeting heterosexual men. These scammers are at least
as likely to be men as women, and as with scams in other fields their patterns
indicate they’re likely to be working as part of bigger operations, rather than
alone. While the views expressed by a lot of these men might not endear them to
many of us, it is concerning that many men are coming to conclusions about what
women are like based on interactions with teams of professional fraudsters.
The internet in general has been feeling very Bladerunner, with endless bots and
fake profiles with AI generated profile pictures or photos stolen from OF
models. Some of the fake accounts are more obvious than others, some seem to
have a chatbot behind them, with comments ranging from slightly off to
completely nonsensical. Many of them seem to have humans or teams of humans
behind them, but certainly not the individuals they’re claiming to be. Dating
apps, dating websites, and dating groups are particularly bad for this.
If you have any experience of online dating or talk to people who have, you’ll
know it’s getting pretty rough out there for everyone for various reasons. If
you talk to heterosexual men, or see what they’re saying about the apps, the
Facebook dating groups, the various websites for meeting people, you’ll find a
lot of them declare it’s a total waste of time.
Some of these men claim that the dating platforms are full of bots and scam
profiles. Some of them say the dating platforms are full of gold diggers. It’s
took me a while to put two and two together, but I think they’re talking to the
same people.
My first clue that some men might be getting angry at non-existent women was a
few years ago when an old classmate of mine got into Jordan Peterson. It was
your typical situation, he would bombard me with videos, ask me what I thought,
wouldn’t read my response, and would send me more videos. One of the last videos
he sent me was a comedian complaining about the “epidemic of money grabbing
whores”. It seemed strange to me that my friend was even complaining about this.
He’d not been in a relationship in years, he wasn’t dating, he was just getting
drunk online and getting himself wound up.
At the time I suspected that either he’d purposefully hired some women and was
upset that they were only interested in getting paid, or he was just sat at home
imagining reasons to get resentful, inspired entirely by claims from other men.
Having seen the similarities between his statements and those from men who’ve
been talking to scammers, it seems just as likely that this happened to him too.
That didn’t really dawn on me until a little later, when FB recommended me an
absolute train wreck of a dating group. Post after post from fake profiles who’d
stolen their photos from the Instagram pages of OF models, each one with
hundreds of comments from men saying “stunning”, “GORGEOUS [loveheart eyes
emoji]”, “hi”, etc, to which the fake profiles replied with the exact same
responses “Send me a friend request so we can chat” and so on. This can’t be
improving these men’s conversational skills. Stats stating 10% of profiles on
dating sites are fake are pretty believable, but clearly some places have turned
into havens for them.
I’d often see the “women’s” profiles use bad ai generated profile pictures which
have the advantage for the scammers, that they’re not wasting as much time on
guys who are less naive, (making scams obvious is a tactic used by some scammers
to focus their efforts on easier targets), plus their profiles won’t get
reported by the model who’s photos they stole. The stolen photos are the source
of much frustration to the women who they belong to. These scammers are not just
giving a particular impression of women, they’re fleecing men while posing as
the specific women who’s photos they’ve stolen. So at least the AI photos are a
welcome development away from that.
A post in a dating group using an ai photo (check out the hat that turns into
hair). The comments were predictably enthusiastic.
The men in this group also wrote posts, not very alluring ones. Just a photo of
the underside of their chin with no info about themselves, but with lots of
comments seemingly from supermodels saying they wanted to date them and to get
in touch. The posts from men that specified “no scammers!!” got even more
responses from scammers, because it’s clear that they’d not only been
successfully targeted before, but are naive enough to think that simply
announcing that they don’t want to be targeted will ensure that they aren’t.
The group would also regularly have men complaining about how women are all
after their money, how none of them will meet up without being sent a gift card
code (or whatever the preferred scammer payment method was at the time) with
some excuse about travel/babysitting/etc, and then when they get the money they
ghost. They’d often conclude that women think that just because they’re super
hot and look like models that they think they’re owed men’s cash.
I realised this group wasn’t the most egregious example of a scammer hangout.
The admin was at least a real person doing a bad job. There were occasional
posts from genuine women, and people from the group occasionally did meet up.
But a superficial search found more groups, each in a worse state, and “dating
pages” clearly set up by the scammers themselves.
For example Single women in UK (sic) where pictures of nameless women are posted
by the page (no profiles are linked, it’s just a photo). Men comment trying to
somehow get the attention of the nameless profileless woman in the photo, and
then scam profiles reply. I find it hard to believe anyone would fall for this,
but the men continue to comment and the page wouldn’t exist if they weren’t
successfully fleeced at least every now and then. Reading through this stuff is
exasperating, and feels sad and weird.
An example of a page set up entirely to trick men. Photos posted without
profiles, the comment sections entirely dedicated to scamming.
Some of the guys are such easy marks that almost all the comments on their
personal FB profiles are from fake profiles. As is often the case with victims
of scamming, a lot of the guys who are consistently successfully targeted seem
to have other stuff going on (lack of support, failed relationships, drug abuse
problems, etc). The scammers swarm their profiles like flies on shit, and the
men continue to engage in the hope that they’re talking to real people. These
men’s FB friends lists looked a lot like Owen Lawrence’s.
Conversations in a dating group that acknowledged the issue
Understanding the rising popularity of misogyny in general requires looking at
the broader economic and political landscape. One of the trends causing a rift
between men and women is the usual fighting over scraps, the classic pitting of
one group against another that works to detract from the ruling class robbing us
all. The amount of time people need to spend at work to survive has been going
up, and in the vast majority of couples both people need to work full time.
Women are working longer hours before they start on the second shift. Still many
men feel like being exhausted means that surely they shouldn’t have to do any
housework. Though that’s wildly unreasonable on the face of it, sexist
ideologies are going to look a lot more attractive when you’re increasingly
desperately looking for excuses not to clean up after yourself.
If you add up all the hours of paid and unpaid work, job, childcare, housework,
etc, then men are doing less than women, and single mothers have more free time
than married ones. In light of this the constant talk of “gold diggers”
broadcast by the manosphere can look utterly delusional. This myth of the gold
digging woman persists even in spite of the fact that women’s wages have
overtaken men’s and its persistence provides a cover for these scammers.
If men continue to believe that this is how women typically behave, they won’t
be able to identify scammers as scammers and this will reinforce their
perception that women behave like this, creating a misogynistic feedback loop.
In spite of the reality of the situation, a lot of men are becoming increasingly
resentful, fuelled by Tate, incel forums, etc, convincing them that women are
soulless harpies trying to bleed them dry and take them for all they’re worth.
Unfortunately this description of women very accurately describes scammers,
which can’t be helping the situation.
Public posts from the personal pages of men who’ve been targeted.
Most men falling victim to this either don’t realise they’ve given money to
scammers, or don’t want to admit that they have, but it’s the former that we
need to be worried about. It’s hard to know how much fuel they’re adding to an
already raging fire of misogynist sentiment online, but if we’re going to spend
a full two weeks discussing the possibility that teen girls leaving mean emojis
on social media accounts might be driving teen boys into a murderous rage
(consider yourself lucky if the weird both-sidesing victim blaming conversations
around Adolescence passed you by), then we could at least acknowledge that the
social media dating scam industry might be priming grown men to accept the
arguments presented to them by misogynistic grifters.
More from Owen Lawrence’s profiles. MGTOW stands for Men Going Their Own Way, an
incel adjacent offshoot if the manosphere that promotes no longer interacting
with women
As is generally the case, Owen Lawrence’s social media accounts were taken down
within a few hours of the incident. The counter terrorism police are still
investigating motives, though since he died in hospital of his self-sustained
injuries, finding a motive is no longer a priority for them.
Given the choice between “incel shooter” and “far right shooter”, the press has
mostly opted for the first, as if these are two distinct groups, with only an
occasional focus on his racism and nationalism. In fact the rise of misogynistic
views and the rise of fascist ideology, particularly amongst men, are mutually
reinforcing, and the despairing resentful worldviews promoted amongst incel
culture have been a gift for the far right. Fascism capitalises on men’s
alienation and frustration, and if the vast majority of your friends are
scammers then that’s likely to be a very frustrating and alienating experience.
Terror attacks are only the most headline grabbing form of a far wider societal
problem. Even just looking at the numbers of men killing women, for an
individual woman the chances of being killed in an “incel terror attack” are low
compared to the two women killed a week by men in the UK. Extreme public
violence is the tip of an iceberg, the most visible manifestation of a larger
hidden threat. Men are still the leading cause of premature death amongst women
worldwide. Misogyny is already killing women, mostly behind closed doors.
Owen Lawrence posted fairly openly about the fact that he had mental health
problems, his struggles with addiction, his hatred of his Narcotics Anonymous
meetings, and how incredibly angry he felt. Both scammers and fascists are well
known to prey on vulnerable people with mental health problems. Misogynistic
views make men more susceptible to scammers as they’re less likely to identify
them as such, and the scammers in turn reinforce these misogynistic views. The
“angry at life” to “loving Hitler and hating women” pipeline is already well
travelled, and the scammers are helping shuffle people along it.
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